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Subject: Re: So which conclusion do you have?

Author: K. Burcham

Date: 14:37:49 03/29/02

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On March 29, 2002 at 17:14:21, Harald Faber wrote:

>On March 29, 2002 at 12:10:52, K. Burcham wrote:
>
>>On March 29, 2002 at 11:29:42, Harald Faber wrote:
>>
>>>On March 29, 2002 at 10:46:37, K. Burcham wrote:
>>>
>>>>THE SSDF RATING LIST 2002-03-27   85022 games played by  237 computers
>>>>>                                           Rating   +     -  Games   Won  Oppo
>>>>>                                           ------  ---   --- -----   ---  ----
>>>>>   1 Fritz 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz         2748   38   -35   395   68%  2616
>>>>>   2 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200   2714   34   -33   460   63%  2619
>>>>>   4 Gambit Tiger 2.0  256MB Athlon 1200     2708   37   -36   381   61%  2626
>>>>>   5 Shredder 6.0  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz     2706   37   -36   379   61%  2626
>>>>>   6 Junior 7.0  256MB  Athlon 1200 MHz      2684   34   -33   436   58%  2630
>>>>>   7 Rebel Century 4.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2680   36   -35   407   63%  2587
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Kurt Utzinger tournament
>>>>1: Junior 7           7.5 / 12   XXX 0=. 1== 11. 1=0 1=.
>>>> 2: Fritz 7006         7.0 / 12   1=. XXX 01. ==0 1=. 110
>>>> 3: Hiarcs 7.32        7.0 / 12   0== 10. XXX =1. ==. 1=1
>>>> 4: Shredder 6.02      6.0 / 12   00. ==1 =0. XXX =11 ==.
>>>> 5: TheKing 3.12 X     4.5 / 12   0=1 0=. ==. =00 XXX ==.
>>>> 6: Chess Tiger 14.0   4.0 / 12   0=. 001 0=0 ==. ==. XXX
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>kburcham
>>>
>>>So what is your conclusion then? :-)
>>
>>I have already posted my conclusion several weeks ago.
>>In my post I gave my opinion on this tournament compared to Sarahs, Jonas, and
>>SSDF. I do not like such a big difference in results posted here. it makes this
>>forum not respected by other chess players.
>>it would seem that the SSDF with so many games played would have meaning.
>>I could put together a tournament post against any program here.
>>like I said before, everyone here is going to believe what they want.
>>the utzinger results make a joke out of SSDF results.
>>kburcham
>
>Sorry, but the only joke here is your conclusion.
>You compare apples with oranges.
>Take a look at the tournament-/match-conditions. They are different so that
>comparing does not make any sense at all. Do you compare Indycar racing with
>Formula 1? No? So why do you here?

because some here buy programs and form opinions on tournament results.
some here are not aware that these are the nunn test positions.
some here will only read the results. some will think the program played a
normal chess game.
this tournament is like the test positions we run here. or it is like a test
suite. we could just start a tournament with all programs starting with move 25
in Deep Blue vs Kasparov game 2.
what can we conclude from this data? what will we do with the info that program
A starting from this position is stroger than program B?

kburcham



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