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Subject: Re: null move improvement ?

Author: Klaus Friedel

Date: 05:40:26 03/31/02

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On March 31, 2002 at 07:22:25, Uri Blass wrote:

>On March 31, 2002 at 07:10:41, José Carlos wrote:
>
>>On March 31, 2002 at 06:17:15, Klaus Friedel wrote:
>>
>>>Has anybody ever tried something like that in his null move code :
>>>
>>>
>>>	int nullDepth = depth - (NULL_REDUCE + 1)*DEPTH_BASE;
>>>
>>>	if(tryNull){
>>>		executeNullMove();
>>>		beta -= NULL_BONUS;
>>>		value = - search(nullDepth, -beta, -beta+1, ply + 1);
>>>		undoNullMove();
>>>		if(value >= beta){
>>>			beta += NULL_BONUS;
>>>			ttStore();
>>>			return beta;
>>>		}
>>>		beta += NULL_BONUS;
>>>	}
>>>
>>>
>>>Bigger values of NULL_BONUS increase the count of nodes prunded (but you migth
>>>oversee some tactics). Values of about 30cp made my engine ply slightly better
>>>than the default null-move (NULL_BONUS = 0).
>>>
>>>
>>>Klaus
>>
>>  A couple of thoughts:
>>  - You can be a bit faster declaring nullDepth inside the "if" and doing "beta
>>+= NULL_BONUS;" just once, before "if(value >= beta){"
>
>The code is going ot be slightly shorter but I do not see
>why is it going to be faster and it seems to me the same speed.
>
>You suggest to replace
>
>if(value >= beta)
>{
>   beta += NULL_BONUS;
>   ttStore();
>   return beta;
>}
>   beta += NULL_BONUS;
>
>by the following code:
>
>beta+=NULL_BONUS;
>if(value >= beta)
>{
>   ttStore();
>   return beta;
>}
>
>In both cases beta+=NULL_BONUS is done exactly once in every case
>so I do not see a reason that the shorter code
>is going to be the faster code.
>
>Uri

The code I posted is not complete. As posted here anyone would move some
statements. But thats not the point, as it doesn't affect functionality.

The question is: Does the lower branching factor gained by moving the
null-window weight out the danger of pruning away important lines.

Your "improvement" is wrong. If you move the line "beta+=NULL_BONUS" you have to
adjust the if-expression:

beta += NULL_BONUS;
if(value >= beta - NULL_BONUS){
  ttStore();
  return beta;
}



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