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Subject: Re: Black to move and draw (should be easier for programs?)

Author: Kurt Utzinger

Date: 13:38:35 04/01/02

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On April 01, 2002 at 13:40:13, Roy Eassa wrote:

>
>[d] 8/8/5kpp/3K1p2/5P2/7P/6P1/8 b - - 0 1
>Black to move and draw.
>
>I would think this would be trivially easy for today's programs running on fast
>PCs, but (maybe) it isn't.  There are only two first moves for Black that draw;
>everything else loses:
>
>1...g5!
>
>   [also drawing is 1...Kf7 2.Kd6
>      (2.h4 g5 3.h5 gxf4 4.Ke5 Ke7 5.Kxf5 Kf7 6.Kxf4 Kf6 7.g3 Ke6 =)
>    2...Kf6 3.h4 g5 4.g3 Kg6 5.hxg5
>       (5.Ke6 g4=)
>    5...hxg5 6.Ke6 gxf4 7.gxf4 Kg7 8.Kxf5 Kf7 =]
>
>   [1...h5? 2.h4 +-
>      (2.g3 also wins)]
>
>   [1...Ke7? 2.Ke5+-]
>
>2.g3 g4 3.h4
>
>   [3.hxg4 fxg4 and Black pushes the pawn to h4 for a simple draw.]
>
>3...Kg6 4.Ke5 Kh5 =

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A fantastic test position and it seems as if all programs have some difficulties
with it (Ath 1.4/256 32 MB hash)

New position
8/8/5kpp/3K1p2/5P2/7P/6P1/8 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder Paderborn:

1...g5 2.g3 h5 3.h4 g4 4.Kd6 Kg6 5.Ke5
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
  =  (0.24)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:01  10kN, tb=639
1...Kf7 2.Kd6 g5 3.g3 gxf4 4.gxf4 Kf6 5.Kd5 h5 6.h4 Kf7 7.Ke5 Kg6
  =  (0.23)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:01  14kN, tb=712
  =  (0.24)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:01  24kN, tb=977
1...g5 2.g3 Kf7 3.Ke5 g4 4.hxg4 fxg4 5.Kf5 h5 6.Kg5 Ke6 7.Kxh5
  =  (0.23)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:01  30kN, tb=1159
  +-  (1.94)   Depth: 11/22   00:00:02  80kN, tb=2243
1...Kf7 2.h4 g5 3.Ke5 Kg6 4.h5+ Kxh5 5.Kd6 gxf4 6.Ke7 f3 7.g3 f4 8.Ke6 fxg3
9.Kf6 Kh4
  +-  (1.93)   Depth: 11/22   00:00:03  105kN, tb=2474
  ±  (1.15)   Depth: 17/29   00:00:12  1643kN, tb=12232
1...g5 2.g3 g4 3.h4 Kg6 4.Kd6 Kh5 5.Ke5 Kg6 6.Kd6 Kh5 7.Ke5 Kg6 8.Kd6 Kh5
  ±  (1.14)   Depth: 17/29   00:00:15  1777kN, tb=14589
  ±  (1.14)   Depth: 29/41   00:02:03  19924kN, tb=187264

(Utzinger, MyTown 01.04.2002)
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Utzinger,K - Fritz 7
8/8/5kpp/3K1p2/5P2/7P/6P1/8 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 7:

1...h5 2.g3 Kf7 3.Kd6 Kf6 4.h4 Kf7 5.Kd7 Kf6 6.Ke8 Ke6 7.Kf8 Kf6 8.Kg8 Ke6
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 11/16   00:00:00  102kN, tb=22
  ±  (1.34)   Depth: 18/26   00:00:05  1196kN, tb=3235
1...Kf7 2.h4 g5 3.g3 Kg6 4.Ke5 g4 5.Ke6 Kh5
  ±  (1.31)   Depth: 18/26   00:00:08  1808kN, tb=4886
  ±  (1.25)   Depth: 27/45   00:02:32  39590kN, tb=86475

(Utzinger, MyTown 01.04.2002)

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Utzinger,K - Chess Tiger 14.0
8/8/5kpp/3K1p2/5P2/7P/6P1/8 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Chess Tiger 14.0:

1...h5 2.g3 Kf7 3.Kd6 Kf6 4.h4 Kf7 5.Kd7 Kf6 6.Ke8 Ke6 7.Kf8 Kf6 8.Kg8 Ke6 9.Kg7
Kd5 10.Kxg6 Ke6 11.Kg5
  =  (0.14)   Depth: 14   00:00:00  119kN, tb=509
  +-  (2.88)   Depth: 20   00:00:10  3558kN, tb=12613
1...g5 2.g3 g4 3.h4 Kg6 4.Ke5 Kh5 5.Kd4 Kg6 6.Kc5 Kh5 7.Kc4 Kg6 8.Kd5 Kh5 9.Ke5
Kg6 10.Ke6 Kh5 11.Kd6
  +-  (2.48)   Depth: 20   00:00:13  4645kN, tb=17208
  +-  (1.86)   Depth: 26   00:02:39  102649kN, tb=153317

(Utzinger, MyTown 01.04.2002)
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Utzinger,K - Crafty 18.13
8/8/5kpp/3K1p2/5P2/7P/6P1/8 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Crafty 18.13:

1...Ke7 2.Ke5
  -+  (-1.57)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
  ²  (0.33)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:00
1...g5 2.g3 g4 3.hxg4 fxg4 4.Kd4 Kf5 5.Kd3 h5 6.Ke3 h4 7.gxh4
  ³  (-0.33)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:00
  ²  (0.67)   Depth: 11/17   00:00:00  158kN, tb=763
1...Kf7 2.Kd6 Kf6 3.g3 g5 4.Kd5 g4 5.hxg4 fxg4 6.Ke4 Ke6 7.Ke3 h5 8.Ke4 Kd6
9.Kf5 h4 10.Kxg4
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 11/17   00:00:01  237kN, tb=1093
  =  (0.01)   Depth: 25/45   00:02:29  67893kN, tb=91519

(Utzinger, MyTown 01.04.2002)
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Utzinger,K - Gandalf 4.32h
8/8/5kpp/3K1p2/5P2/7P/6P1/8 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Gandalf 4.32h:

1...Kg7 2.Ke6
  µ  (-0.96)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
1...h5 2.g3 g5 3.fxg5+ Kxg5 4.Ke5
  µ  (-0.97)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
  µ  (-1.00)   Depth: 5   00:00:00  1kN
1...g5 2.fxg5+ Kxg5 3.Ke5 f4 4.Ke4 h5 5.Kf3
  µ  (-1.02)   Depth: 5   00:00:00  1kN
  ³  (-0.49)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  10kN
1...h5 2.g3 Ke7 3.Kd4 Kf8 4.Ke3 Kg7 5.Kf3
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  10kN
  ³  (-0.36)   Depth: 8   00:00:00  27kN
1...g5 2.g3 gxf4 3.gxf4 h5 4.h4 Kf7 5.Ke5 Kg6 6.Ke6
  ³  (-0.38)   Depth: 8   00:00:00  27kN
  +-  (1.61)   Depth: 11   00:00:01  139kN
1...Kg7 2.Ke6 h5 3.h4 Kg8 4.Kf6 Kh7 5.Kf7
  +-  (1.59)   Depth: 11   00:00:01  150kN
  +-  (1.52)   Depth: 11   00:00:01  150kN
1...h5 2.h4 Kf7 3.Kd6 Kf6 4.g3 Kf7 5.Kd7 Kf6 6.Ke8
  +-  (1.50)   Depth: 11   00:00:01  150kN
  +-  (3.61)   Depth: 19   00:00:22  8350kN
1...Kf7 2.Kd6 Kf6 3.h4 g5 4.g3 Kg6 5.Ke6 g4
  +-  (3.59)   Depth: 19   00:00:58  27350kN
  +-  (2.54)   Depth: 19   00:02:06  73700kN
1...g5
  +-  (2.52)   Depth: 19   00:02:08  74300kN
1...Kf7 2.h4 g5 3.g3 Kg6 4.Ke5 g4 5.Ke6 Kh5 6.Ke7
  +-  (2.38)   Depth: 20   00:03:16  130700kN
  +-  (2.38)   Depth: 20   00:03:16  130700kN

(Utzinger, MyTown 01.04.2002)
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