Author: Uri Blass
Date: 11:32:55 04/04/02
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On April 04, 2002 at 12:47:19, Jorge Pichard wrote: >On April 04, 2002 at 11:29:10, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On April 04, 2002 at 10:37:28, Jorge Pichard wrote: >> >>>On April 04, 2002 at 01:04:06, Rafael Vasquez wrote: >>> >>>>Hi, Jorge and Uri: >>>> >>>>This is the Arena output for you: >>> >>> >>>I just replayed Movei moves using my Celeron 433 Mhz and even if my Celeron is >>>slower than your K6 III 450 Mhz it was able to reproduce 98% of the moves for >>>Movei. >> >>I also replayed Movei moves in my PII800 and >>it needs 19 minutes/40 moves to avoid the tactical mistake >>16...Qc7 >> >>At that time control it plays 16...0-0 and at 18 minutes/40 moves >>it plays 16...Qc7. >> >> >>Uri > >My Celeron still plays 16....Qc7 even at 20 minbutes/40 moves, but at 21 >minutes/40 moves it plays 16...0-0. I played all the game at 18 or 19 minutes/40 moves so practically it had clearly less time before 16...Qc7. My p800 is almost twice faster than your the k6-III 450 and your celeron has similiar speed. Thinking history may influence the choice of the moves at the same time control(the reason is that it may change the order of the pieces in the memory of movei and it can cause some change in the order of moves) and I wanted to see what is the faster time control that movei needed to avoid the blunder and the only way to check it seemed to be playing all the game. I believe that at 30 minutes/40 moves it >could give Chess Tiger 14.9 a better challenge using a K6-III 450 or a Celeron >433 Mhz; but again Chess Tiger also would be playing much better at that time >control. The game was played at 30 minutes/40 moves but I think that movei used most of the 30 minutes in the first 15 moves. > >PS: What Rafael needs to do is to de-activate the Opening book for CTP 14.9 and >movei would be playing with the same disadvantage since both do not use TB. > >Pichard. The question is how much advantage gives the opening book. There are openings that movei does not play well and I hope to fix it by changing the evaluation but it does not happen in every game and movei could do 3-3 against genesis inspite of the fact that genesis use opening book and hash tables when movei does not do it. I thought that it is not more than 50 elo when I assume no learning to repeat the same win again and again but I am less sure after getting a bad game that movei lost in the opening with white against leila and began 1.e4 e6 2.Nc3? d5 3.Bb5+? c6 4.Bf1? I guess that 120 minutes/40 moves on your celeron can reproduce these moves. movei was unlucky in the time control that it played because I found that 4.Bf1 is only played at depth 9 and not at depth 1-8 or depth 10 and I also found that 2.Nc3 or 3.Bb5+ are not played when it search one ply deeper and I also find different moves than 2.Nc3 and 3.Bb5+ in smaller depths. Uri
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