Author: Rafael Vasquez
Date: 15:59:33 04/04/02
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On April 04, 2002 at 14:32:55, Uri Blass wrote: >On April 04, 2002 at 12:47:19, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>On April 04, 2002 at 11:29:10, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On April 04, 2002 at 10:37:28, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>On April 04, 2002 at 01:04:06, Rafael Vasquez wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi, Jorge and Uri: >>>>> >>>>>This is the Arena output for you: >>>> >>>> >>>>I just replayed Movei moves using my Celeron 433 Mhz and even if my Celeron is >>>>slower than your K6 III 450 Mhz it was able to reproduce 98% of the moves for >>>>Movei. >>> >>>I also replayed Movei moves in my PII800 and >>>it needs 19 minutes/40 moves to avoid the tactical mistake >>>16...Qc7 >>> >>>At that time control it plays 16...0-0 and at 18 minutes/40 moves >>>it plays 16...Qc7. >>> >>> >>>Uri >> >>My Celeron still plays 16....Qc7 even at 20 minbutes/40 moves, but at 21 >>minutes/40 moves it plays 16...0-0. > >I played all the game at 18 or 19 minutes/40 moves so practically it had clearly >less time before 16...Qc7. > >My p800 is almost twice faster than your the k6-III 450 and your celeron has >similiar speed. > >Thinking history may influence the choice of the moves at the same time >control(the reason is that it may change the order of the pieces in the memory >of movei and it can cause some change in the order of moves) and I wanted to see >what is the faster time control that movei needed to avoid the blunder and the >only way to check it seemed to be playing all the game. > > I believe that at 30 minutes/40 moves it >>could give Chess Tiger 14.9 a better challenge using a K6-III 450 or a Celeron >>433 Mhz; but again Chess Tiger also would be playing much better at that time >>control. > >The game was played at 30 minutes/40 moves but I think that movei used most of >the 30 minutes in the first 15 moves. > > >> >>PS: What Rafael needs to do is to de-activate the Opening book for CTP 14.9 and >>movei would be playing with the same disadvantage since both do not use TB. >> >>Pichard. > >The question is how much advantage gives the opening book. >There are openings that movei does not play well >and I hope to fix it by changing the evaluation >but it does not happen in every game and movei could do 3-3 against genesis >inspite of the fact that genesis use opening book and hash tables when movei >does not do it. So I assume that Tiger with book will be more instructive for you to find which opening positions to fix. I can continue using book then. Tiger had always less time than movei (except for the first four moves). If I use no book then movei will have more chances to win, but you want to win because of time advantage or improve the engine and win by quality of play? > >I thought that it is not more than 50 elo when I assume no learning to repeat >the same win again and again but I am less sure after getting a bad game that >movei lost in the opening with white against leila and began 1.e4 e6 2.Nc3? d5 >3.Bb5+? c6 4.Bf1? > >I guess that 120 minutes/40 moves on your celeron can reproduce these moves. > >movei was unlucky in the time control that it played because I found that 4.Bf1 >is only played at depth 9 and not at depth 1-8 or depth 10 and I also found that >2.Nc3 or 3.Bb5+ are not played when it search one ply deeper and I also find >different moves than 2.Nc3 and 3.Bb5+ in smaller depths. > >Uri
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