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Subject: Re: Tough Endgame for the bot, silly for you.

Author: Oliver Roese

Date: 09:44:27 04/05/02

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On April 05, 2002 at 12:17:28, John Merlino wrote:

>On April 05, 2002 at 11:20:01, Oliver Roese wrote:
>
>>Hi!
>>
>>This position is from
>>http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~tony/RecentPapers/report.mac.pdf
>>(see also http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?221364)
>>
>>[D]5k1b/7P/2B1KP1P/8/8/p7/P7/8 w - - 0 1
>>
>>The author writes:
>>"After more than ten hours of play the position in [figure 9] was reached and
>>since
>>neither side was making progress the game was adjudicated after white's 111th
>>move of Bc6-d5. "
>>...
>>"Even today I doubt if many programs can do any better."
>>
>>I tested this somewhat with crafty and can confirm it .
>>Although this is a rather easy win for a human it is hard for an engine,
>>since the winning plan distracts several heuristics. In order to win, white has
>>to:
>>1) playing f7(Be8), thereby giving more room for the enemy pieces.
>>2) moving his king far away from the hotspot to the innocent looking pawn a3.
>>3) trading the "dangerous" pawn h7 against blacks pawn a3.
>
>Chessmaster 9000 (pre-Beta version) completely solves it in 2:57 on a PIII-733
>(although it sees 7.h8=Q Bxh8 8.Kxa3 after 29 seconds):
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:07	12/13	3.01	1138091		1.Bd5 Ke8 2.f7+ Kf8 3.Kd7 Bf6 4.Kc6
>					Bh8 5.Kb5 Bc3 6.Ka4 Bb2 7.Kb4 Ke7
>					8.Kc5 Kf8
It finds that almost instantly, although it has difficulties to give away his
"strong"
pawn at h7.

>0:10	13/14	3.19	1686021		1.Bd5 Ke8 2.f7+ Kf8 3.Kd7 Bf6 4.Kc6
>					Bh8 5.Kb5 Bc3 6.Bc4 Bh8 7.Kb4 Bb2
>					8.Bb3 Ke7
>0:17	14/15	2.99	2840357		1.Bd5 Ke8 2.f7+ Kf8 3.Kd7 Bf6 4.Kc6
>					Bh8 5.Kb5 Bc3 6.Bc4 Bh8 7.Kc6 Ke7
>					8.Kc5 Bf6 9.Kb4
>0:22	15/16	3.19	3749955		1.Bd5 Ke8 2.f7+ Kf8 3.Kd7 Bf6 4.Kc6
>					Bh8 5.Kb5 Bc3 6.Bc4 Bh8 7.Kc6 Ke7
>					8.Kc5 Bc3 9.Be6 Be5
>0:29	16/17	3.17	5069003		1.Bd5 Ke8 2.f7+ Kf8 3.Kd7 Bf6 4.Kc6
>					Bh8 5.Kb5 Bc3 6.Ka4 Bb2 7.h8=Q+
>					Bxh8 8.Kxa3 Bf6 9.h7 Ke7 10.Kb4
>					Be5 11.a4 Bh8 12.a5
>0:36	17/18	3.27	6335927		1.Bd5 Ke8 2.f7+ Kf8 3.Kd7 Bf6 4.Kc6
>					Bh8 5.Kb5 Bc3 6.Ka4 Bb2 7.h8=Q+
>					Bxh8 8.Kxa3 Bf6 9.h7 Be7+ 10.Kb3
>					Kg7 11.Be4 Bd6 12.a4 Bc5 13.a5
>0:45	18/19	3.49	7840971		1.Bd5 Ke8 2.f7+ Kf8 3.Kd7 Bf6 4.Kc6
>					Bh8 5.Kb5 Bc3 6.Ka4 Bb2 7.h8=Q+
>					Bxh8 8.Kxa3 Bf6 9.Kb3 Be7 10.a4
>					Bd6 11.a5 Bc5 12.a6
>0:59	19/20	3.53	9988197		1.Bd5 Ke8 2.f7+ Kf8 3.Kd7 Bf6 4.Kc6
>					Bh8 5.Kb5 Bc3 6.Ka4 Bb2 7.h8=Q+
>					Bxh8 8.Kxa3 Bf6 9.Kb3 Be7 10.a4
>					Bd6 11.Kc4 Bb8 12.h7 Be5 13.a5
>1:18	20/21	3.86	12780749	1.Bd5 Ke8 2.f7+ Kf8 3.Kd7 Bf6 4.Kc6
>					Bh8 5.Kb5 Bc3 6.Ka4 Bb2 7.h8=Q+
>					Bxh8 8.Kxa3 Bf6 9.Kb3 Be7 10.a4
>					Bd6 11.a5 Bc5 12.a6 Bd4 13.h7 Bh8
>					14.Kc4
>2:57	21/22	11.99	24100416	1.Bd5 Ke8 2.f7+ Kf8 3.Kd7 Bf6 4.Kc6
>					Bh8 5.Kb5 Bc3 6.Ka4 Bb2 7.h8=Q+
>					Bxh8 8.Kxa3 Bf6 9.Kb3 Be7 10.a4
>					Bc5 11.a5 Bd6 12.h7 Kg7 13.h8=Q+
>					Kxh8 14.a6 Kg7 15.a7 Kf6 16.a8=Q
>
>jm

Strong point for chessmaster as an analysis-engine.
Are other engines competitive?

Oliver






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