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Subject: Re: Tough Endgame for the bot, silly for you.

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 09:53:25 04/05/02

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On April 05, 2002 at 12:46:59, Oliver Roese wrote:

>On April 05, 2002 at 11:57:02, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On April 05, 2002 at 11:20:01, Oliver Roese wrote:
>>
>>>Hi!
>>>
>>>This position is from
>>>http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~tony/RecentPapers/report.mac.pdf
>>>(see also http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?221364)
>>>
>>>[D]5k1b/7P/2B1KP1P/8/8/p7/P7/8 w - - 0 1
>>>
>>>The author writes:
>>>"After more than ten hours of play the position in [figure 9] was reached and
>>>since
>>>neither side was making progress the game was adjudicated after white's 111th
>>>move of Bc6-d5. "
>>>...
>>>"Even today I doubt if many programs can do any better."
>>>
>>>I tested this somewhat with crafty and can confirm it .
>>>Although this is a rather easy win for a human it is hard for an engine,
>>>since the winning plan distracts several heuristics. In order to win, white has
>>>to:
>>>1) playing f7(Be8), thereby giving more room for the enemy pieces.
>>>2) moving his king far away from the hotspot to the innocent looking pawn a3.
>>>3) trading the "dangerous" pawn h7 against blacks pawn a3.
>>>
>>>[D]4Bk2/5P1P/7P/8/8/pK6/Pb6/8 w - - 0 1
>>>
>>>In this position i abandonned the search after 30 minutes (although my system is
>>>rather slow).
>>>
>>>Is there a program that could do better?
>>>Would this position remain unsolved for many years?
>>>
>>>Oliver
>>
>>I am sure that there are programs that can find trading the h pawn for the a
>>pawn.
>>
>>For example my program that it's only knowledge about pawn structure is that
>>more than one pawn in the same file is bad and knows nothing about passed pawns
>>can find it.
>>
>>I also believe that it is not hard to solve the problem by the right knowledge.
>>
>
>Maybe true or not.
>But _which_ program is it then?
>
>Oliver

You got the reply in another post

Chessmaster9000 solve it and see the full tactics.
It seems that you only need the right extensions.

Uri




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