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Subject: Re: Fritz is holding Berg Nicely!!

Author: pavel

Date: 19:37:53 04/05/02

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On April 05, 2002 at 22:08:48, Jonas Cohonas wrote:

>On April 05, 2002 at 21:33:22, Jerry Doby wrote:
>
>>Mr. Berg is a legitamate 2500 elo player and fritz is winning the match, I have
>>yet to see a bad computer result vs humans, yet some people stubbornly hold on
>>to the nonsense that computers are not 2500 elo????? Barbaric ignorance I would
>>say for sure!!!
>
>Even though this is an obvious troll, i will reply.
>I think the argument that computers are below 2500 is valid to some extend, the
>issue here is that comps does not do well in certain positions while in others
>they do extremely well and that makes it hard to say if a program is above or
>below a certain strength, if you don't have the exact position from which it is
>to be judged from. For example in the Van Wely v Reb Cen4, Wely played Bg3!? and
>Rebel went on to take the peice and lose the game (i don't have the position
>here, but i am sure someone could dig it up) then in the last game it won in
>brilliant fashion and played one of the best comp v human games i have seen. Now
>how can you judge a programs overall strenght from that match (as an example)
>being open to the fact that it played below 2500 and above 2500, determining the
>strenghts of computers today are really difficult and personally i believe that
>comps are above 2500, simply because of the fact that if they where to compete
>in human matches they would never get tired or make obvious mistakes+the
>implicit fact that they don't have to take psychology into account.
>When i see discussions on comp strength there is one side arguing that they are
>beyond any doubt stronger than 2500-2700 and on the other side there is the
>complete opposite saying they are below 2500-2300 and IMO i don't think that it
>is that simple.
>
>Regards
>Jonas

I jonas,

In regards your post (not the trool), IMO those few (rare!) positions that
computers dont understand these days are slowly become less and less. Also I
dont believe that the best chess program of today (obviously Fritz7), is not
below 2500 on any well known rating system out there against humans. And I am
not going to believe that even if the author of fritz himself comes to me and
tells me that. :)

I dont think 2500 is a target anymore.

Regards,
pavs



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