Author: pavel
Date: 19:37:53 04/05/02
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On April 05, 2002 at 22:08:48, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >On April 05, 2002 at 21:33:22, Jerry Doby wrote: > >>Mr. Berg is a legitamate 2500 elo player and fritz is winning the match, I have >>yet to see a bad computer result vs humans, yet some people stubbornly hold on >>to the nonsense that computers are not 2500 elo????? Barbaric ignorance I would >>say for sure!!! > >Even though this is an obvious troll, i will reply. >I think the argument that computers are below 2500 is valid to some extend, the >issue here is that comps does not do well in certain positions while in others >they do extremely well and that makes it hard to say if a program is above or >below a certain strength, if you don't have the exact position from which it is >to be judged from. For example in the Van Wely v Reb Cen4, Wely played Bg3!? and >Rebel went on to take the peice and lose the game (i don't have the position >here, but i am sure someone could dig it up) then in the last game it won in >brilliant fashion and played one of the best comp v human games i have seen. Now >how can you judge a programs overall strenght from that match (as an example) >being open to the fact that it played below 2500 and above 2500, determining the >strenghts of computers today are really difficult and personally i believe that >comps are above 2500, simply because of the fact that if they where to compete >in human matches they would never get tired or make obvious mistakes+the >implicit fact that they don't have to take psychology into account. >When i see discussions on comp strength there is one side arguing that they are >beyond any doubt stronger than 2500-2700 and on the other side there is the >complete opposite saying they are below 2500-2300 and IMO i don't think that it >is that simple. > >Regards >Jonas I jonas, In regards your post (not the trool), IMO those few (rare!) positions that computers dont understand these days are slowly become less and less. Also I dont believe that the best chess program of today (obviously Fritz7), is not below 2500 on any well known rating system out there against humans. And I am not going to believe that even if the author of fritz himself comes to me and tells me that. :) I dont think 2500 is a target anymore. Regards, pavs
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