Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 00:02:38 04/06/02
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On April 06, 2002 at 02:49:55, Tanya Deborah wrote: >On April 06, 2002 at 02:26:59, Jerry Doby wrote: > >>On April 06, 2002 at 02:05:40, Tanya Deborah wrote: >> >>>On April 05, 2002 at 21:49:51, Terry McCracken wrote: >>> >>>>On April 05, 2002 at 21:33:22, Jerry Doby wrote: >>>> >>>>>Mr. Berg is a legitamate 2500 elo player and fritz is winning the match, I have >>>>>yet to see a bad computer result vs humans, yet some people stubbornly hold on >>>>>to the nonsense that computers are not 2500 elo????? Barbaric ignorance I would >>>>>say for sure!!! >>>> >>>> >>>>I guess you're referring to Dr. Hyatt? I believe he said that computers and this >>>>was some weeks back, may be at the 2500 level. >>> >>> >>>I do not think that Jerry is reffering to Dr. Hyatt. He has the free opinion to >>>talk about it (meanwhile do not insult anybody) and I also believe that some >>>people here do not want to understand that computers played at GM Level. Best >>>computers programs play definitely at 2600-2650 elo level. Why people can´t >>>understant it?????? >>> >>>I don´t think that a 2450 player can get a second place, in the Dutch >>>Tournament. (Fritz got it) >>> >>>I don´t think that a 2450 player can beat Van Wely two times, in a four game >>>match. (Rebel 4 did it!) >>> >>>I don´t think that a 2450 player can get same great results that Junior got in >>>the Dortmund Tournament some time ago. It got an elo of 2701!!!!(slow time!!) >>> >>>a 2450 player can´t beat Gulko in the same way that new programs dit it! >>> >>>AND I AM SURE THAT a 2450 player CAN´T TAKE THE FIRST PLACE, IN THE SAME WAY >>>THAT THE AMAZING CHESS TIGER 14 DID IN ARGENTINA!. >>> >>>There are many results that prove that today computer programs are indeed >>>superior to 2500 elo against humans. Why. Why is so difficult to understand to >>>some persons here ?????????? >>> >>>Do you need that Fritz beats 8-0 to Kramnik to think that computers are clearly >>>better that 2500 ????????????? :-) >>> >>>Best Regards! >>> >>>Tanya Deborah. >> >> >> >>Tanya >> >> don't let them fool you, they are not as dumb and blind as they pretend to be, >>some people have very large ego's , and do not like to admitt that they are >>wrong, even a fool could see computers are clearly 2500+, you don't have to >>smart or be a programmer, all you need is common sense and eyes, unfortunately >>there is a cult of personality associated with some members here, and they will >>get people to believe the most rediculous nonsense, even when it goes against >>elementary logic, feel sorry for these weak minded, easily led, fools, but don't >>be decieved they can see the obvious. > > >I agree with you Jerry. For me is very difficult to see some persons here that >say that computer programs are not play at 2500 elo. Some time ago, i ask the >same question to Grand Master Alexey Dreev. Dreev is a very good chess player >(up to 2600 elo) and he said me that chess programs are definitely better than >2500 elo. I said to him : Are you sure? Are you completely sure? Dreev said : I >am completely sure of that. > >I also ask the same question to ¨garompon¨ a very good GM in ICC. He also tell >me that computers are better than 2500 elo. > >And... I also ask to GMW Alexandra Kosteniuk. (I have a friendship with her and >we played some games some time ago) and she said me that computer programs are >very very strong now. When we talked, she was impressioned by the strenght of >Gambit Tiger 2. She said me, that she believed that Tiger was the best program >in the world. Since, 3 very good chess players told me that programs play better >than 2500 elo. > >Like you said, many people need to open the eyes, and understand that we are not >in 1990 anymore!!. > >Regards! >Tanya Deborah. > > > >Niether do I Tanya and I concur programmes are over 2500 ELO! I _never_ said they weren't! I'm not blind and I have a good intellect, far from what Jerry would imply. Don't even answer this troll and say "I agree Jerry.", as he wants to stir up shit. He has shown his mentality on this board far too often and if I were him would be embarrassed if I portrayed such purile behavior. Terry > > > > > > >>>>What's "Barbaric Ignorance" is posting trolls like this to make a pathetic >>>>attempt to flame people who know a hell of alot more than you ever will! >>>> >>>>So when you watch Kramnik Fry Fritz, then what will you say? Of course Kramnik >>>>is 2800 and has plenty of time to prepare so you'll say "Of course he won it was >>>>unfair for the computer!":o)) >>>> >>>>TM
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