Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 11:10:44 04/07/02
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On April 07, 2002 at 13:15:53, Christophe Theron wrote: >On April 06, 2002 at 23:39:16, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>On April 06, 2002 at 23:06:26, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On April 06, 2002 at 22:55:19, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>On April 06, 2002 at 22:36:00, pavel wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 06, 2002 at 22:27:24, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 06, 2002 at 22:13:17, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 06, 2002 at 21:43:08, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>SJeng 12.11 is playing without TB to make it fair since Chess Tiger 14.9 doesn't >>>>>>>>use TB. Even with TB SJeng would have lost this game regardless. Uri is right >>>>>>>>this SJeng is a tought opponent with an estimated rating by its author close to >>>>>>>>2400 in standard time control.2. What is Sjeng's status ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>PS: Simply consider this a Pearl of a game, Simply an Amazing Performance! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It has successfully beaten players rated over 2500 points, including several >>>>>>>>titled GM's and IM's. One version of Sjeng even attained the first place in the >>>>>>>>crazyhouse players list on the Internet Chess Club (ICC), and the first place on >>>>>>>>the Free Internet Chess Server (FICS). Its crazyhouse rating currently >>>>>>>>fluctuates around 2300 points. >>>>>>>>Sjeng is probably a bit weaker in bughouse than it is in crazyhouse. Most >>>>>>>>Sjeng's on the FICS have a rating of about 2000 points in bughouse, with a top >>>>>>>>of over 2200 points. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>For standard chess, Sjeng's rating is probably about 2400 ELO. In suicide and >>>>>>>>losers chess Sjeng beats all but the very best humans, and will beat >>>>>>>>non-specialized programs easily. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It seems strange to me that sjeng gets only depth 4 or 5. >>>>>>>I know that we cannot compare depthes of different programs but >>>>>>>programs usually get bigger depths and even the weak movei on celeron gets >>>>>>>usually depth 7-9 at that time control. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Uri >>>>>> >>>>>>I can add that sjeng can search clearly deeper in the middle game based on the >>>>>>following post. >>>>>> >>>>>>http://www.it.ro/ccc_search/ccc.php?art_id=198392 >>>>>> >>>>>>I know that the hardware is better and that sjeng is an older version and the >>>>>>positions are different but still sjeng could get depth 8 in a few seconds. >>>>>> >>>>>>I suspect that your celeron was slowed down by a significant factor so sjeng did >>>>>>not enjoy from a significant speed advantage that the celeron should give it. >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>At this time control (40/40) the depth does seem very odd, even for the most >>>>>slowest program out there. At this depth, not is it right to compare sjeng with >>>>>CTP 14.9, Sjeng actually more crippled than CTP in a handheld. >>>>> >>>>>pavs >>>> >>>>I downloaded the SJeng v12.11 now what version do you suggest?; there doesn't >>>>seems to be nothing wrong with my Celeron since it is the same one that I have >>>>been using with Movei From Uri, Bestia, Faile, and Gaviota. If you can suggest >>>>the best version of SJeng then I will use it. Just give me the website where I >>>>can find the best Version. >>>> >>>>Pichard. >>> >>>I believe that 12.11 is good and I do not know the problem(A possible reason >>>that I can think about is if sjeng is using too much hash tables that the >>>celeron does not have and I know that using big hash tables that the computer >>>does not have can cause programs to use the harddisk and be significantly >>>slower) >>> >>>Movei does not use hash tables so there is no problem with it. >>>Faile's default hash tables is 8 Mbytes so I believe it has no problem. >>>Maybe Sjeng's default hash tables is too high for your celeron. >>> >>>Uri >> >>That could be the problem, since the hashtable size by default was set for 12 >>Mbytes. I will replay the same opening up to 4 moves with the Hashtables set for >>6 Mbytes and this time I will use the endgame tablebase with a cache set for 4 >>MB. >> >>Pichard > > > >If the hash table has been set too big, then you should have heard the >computer's hard disk going crazy during the game. > >Did you notice that? > > > > Christophe Yes I did noticed a strange sound, I just bought more memory for my Solo 1100 for 42 dollars, I will replace it this afternoon from 32 MB to 128MB SODIMM 144 PIN, PC100 PNY. Pichard
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