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Subject: Re: Crafty endgame position

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 11:52:21 04/07/02

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On April 07, 2002 at 14:41:20, Mike Hood wrote:

>On April 07, 2002 at 14:23:46, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>>On April 07, 2002 at 11:57:18, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On April 07, 2002 at 10:41:27, Michael Fuhrmann wrote:
>>>
>>>>[D] 1b6/8/8/7p/6k1/6P1/8/6K1 w - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>Crafty, without tablebases, scores this as about -4.5 for white. Shouldn't the
>>>>score be 0.0?
>>>
>>>
>>>This excites some sort of bug that I haven't seen.  the static evaluation for
>>>this position is 0.00, but the search produces some sort of position where the
>>>draw recognition fails...
>>>
>>>I'll look at it...
>>
>>Don't be too hard on yourself Dr. Hyatt, Fritz 7 although close to accurate
>>gives an eval of -0.81 pawns and Shredder is a little worse than Crafty at
>>-4.96, well Chess Tiger 14.0 is "out to lunch" between -12 to -11+ pawns!
>>
>>Sorry Christophe! You need to fix this problem before you release Chess Tiger
>>15.0.
>>
>>Terry
>
>This is a matter of opinion. I think that today's chess programmers have the
>right to assume the use of 5-piece tablebases. The time spent tweaking the
>algorithms for cases like this would be better spent on writing better
>algorithms for middlegame analysis.
>
>But it's the programmer's own decision. Maybe he wants to solve this problem
>anyway for the sake of his own intellectual achievement.


It is my opinion, but I feel _all_ aspects of the game need to be thoroughly
covered, Opening, Middlegame, and Endgame.

It's a _tough_ job but I feel it needs to be done.

Terry



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