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Subject: Re: Method of determing computer or human player?

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 21:41:55 04/07/02

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On April 08, 2002 at 00:17:55, Russell Reagan wrote:

>On April 07, 2002 at 23:59:15, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On April 07, 2002 at 23:47:59, Russell Reagan wrote:
>>
>>>Given a game, are there any methods of analyzing the game for the purposes of
>>>determining whether one of the players is a computer? I've heard people say that
>>>ICC uses some method to detect cheating, but I can't really figure out how they
>>>would do that, unless they just have a computer running many top programs and
>>>try to find players who are consistently in line with the moves a particular
>>>program plays.
>>>
>>>Any thoughts?
>>>
>>>Russell
>>
>>if the player use exactly the same time for every move you can suspect that it
>>is a computer.
>>
>>If the player thinks a long time about an obvious capture you can suspect that
>>it is a computer.
>>
>>If the player plays no tactical mistakes in complicated position that it is
>>natural to expect humans to blunder then you can also suspect that it is a
>>computer.
>>
>>Uri
>
>Good ideas. Do you think that if ICC does attempt to detect cheaters that they
>use a "selective search" and look for good candidates that are cheating? For
>example, they surely do not have the computing power capable of analyzing every
>game played on ICC. So do you think that they would only look at those players
>who either have very good records or have complaints filed against them? Also it
>might be a good idea to have some random selection, such as having a computer
>analyze random games and occassionally it will hit upon a player who warrants
>further investigating. Sounds interesting to me, kinda like the chess police :)
>
>Russell

Man it can hard to tell these days, especially in blitz!

But I was good at remebering my games when I was very active on chess severs in
97, and I suspected computers, even which programme sometimes.

I remember catching some CM5000 G/5's. I wasn't certain untill I put them to
CM5000 on equal hardware.

I knew the hardware as I knew the person's machine at the time, also I knew
CM5000s' style hence I tested the games and voila it was indeed CM5000!:)

Also I played him G/2 but he quit after being killed game after game, as it was
a java board and it was too hard for him to operate both the programme and the
game. hehehe!


Terry



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