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Subject: Re: Kramnik on man vs Machine Interview

Author: Joe McCarro

Date: 10:00:15 04/09/02

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On April 09, 2002 at 09:51:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On April 09, 2002 at 06:28:34, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On April 08, 2002 at 22:59:34, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On April 08, 2002 at 21:48:25, Michael Vox wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 08, 2002 at 20:24:03, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>And if he were going to face Deeper Blue instead of Fritz, which would he claim is the stronger?<
>>>>
>>>>He already stated at the initial press conference that he feels Fritz on current
>>>>hardware is stronger than DB.
>>>>
>>>>This commone knowledge.
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>That is utter horse-hockey.  AKA marketing hype and covering himself in case
>>>the unexpected happens and he loses...
>>
>>Do you know names of GM's who say after looking at the games of deeper blue
>>against kasparov that Deeper blue is better?
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>Who won the match?  That is the important data.  When another program does
>the same in a 40/2hr match of 6 games, then we can talk...

IMO:
     Nope, 6 games is not enough to accurately guess its strength. Its obviously
very strong to beat Kasparov in a match no matter what kind of day Kasparov was
having. Maybe even as strong as Gulko was in 1997.(when he also had a favorable
win loss record to Kasparov)  But Gulko established his ELO(whatever it was) in
1997 by playing many more than 6 rated games against many different players and
styles.  IBM obviously chose not to.
     Sorry regardless of the excuses IBM gives for never playing anymore there
will always be the suspicion that the match was a fluke.  Or at least maybe
Deeper blues style matched well against kasparovs. The fact that many
Grandmasters review the games and are not all that impressed deepens the
suspicions.  The fact is we can't narrow how good Deeper Blue is/was more than
to say "maybe as good, maybe better, maybe worse than Gulko" because it never(at
least publicly) played the game enough.



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