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Subject: Re: kramnik statements

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 21:21:13 04/09/02

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On April 09, 2002 at 15:56:37, Mike S. wrote:

>On April 09, 2002 at 13:01:01, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 09, 2002 at 11:29:45, K. Burcham wrote:
>>
>>>(...)
>>>twelve statements from kramnik interview:
>>>(...)
>>>4. In almost every position Fritz7 (600 mhz notebook)  was suggesting
>>>objectively better variations (then Deep Blue).
>
>>That is a key statement.  "in almost every..."  If you play 39 moves like
>>Capablanca, and one move like a fish, you still lose every game...
>
>I don't think you mean, a program must play 40 out of 40 Capablanca moves, to be
>stronger than Deep Blue?





What I mean is that if another program can play 39 out of 40 deep blue moves,
that doesn't mean it is as good as deep blue.  That _one_ move might be the
critical move...

Most _any_ program will find many of the moves played by deep blue.  Most
will find many of the moves played by _any_ GM player in fact.  It is the
ones they don't find that are revealing however...

>
>I think it's more like, Deep Blue could play, say 30 moves like Capablanca
>(missing 10), and the strongest PC soft/hardware of today may find 33 moves.
>Which would indicates it is most probably better.
>
>Or what must happen, before we can say, "this computer is better now, than Deep
>Blue was." What is the criteria? I don't expect that Deep Blue was the best
>possible chess computer of all times, throughout eternitiy. :o)
>
>I think Fritz' search depth on 8 CPU's will be competitive, compared to Deep
>Blue (the node rate is not a good figure for comparison, also not in this case
>IMO).
>
>Regards,
>M.Scheidl


Node rate is interesting to compare when (a) a program is 100x faster and
(b) is no "dumber" than the other...

Fritz is not a "genius" in terms of smarts...  DB knew much more about lots
of things than it does...



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