Author: Marc van Hal
Date: 07:08:24 04/10/02
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On April 10, 2002 at 02:48:48, Hristo wrote: >On April 10, 2002 at 01:24:55, Joshua Lee wrote: > >>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=255 >> >>Kramnik may not know anything about programming but when he says Fritz was >>suggesting objectively better moves than Deep Blue Played.....For someone of his >>level of play to say such a thing. DB might have had extra knowledge than fritz >>or any other program doesn't who really knows.....there is not enough >>disclosure. Still i would like to see if anyone has found a position from either >>match inwhich DB played a move that is out of Commercials grasp. >> >>I am pretty sure this is like the thousandth message that asks this question. > >Yes, other people have talked about this. >Kramnik, might, have more than one reason to say that "Fritz" is better than >Deep Blue. Some reasons, that we can think of, are better than others. As to the >_truth_ ... well, here is the rub, horacio! > >1. Fritz _is_ better than Deep Blue, because Deep Blue doesn't exist any more!? >This alone can be enough to clame that Fritz is better. > >2. There is no evidence, that I know of, that shows a direct comparison of the >playing strength of these beasts. Which leaves the whole topic open for >speculations ... > >3. Kramnik applies the best possible method to determine which of the two >programs (machines) is stronger. He evaluates the actuall chess moves that are >proposed or made over the course of a game. Most geeks, including me, get, >often, stuck on other issues that relate to eval-speed, hash-hits, tb-hits, etc. >... an we often lose the main criteria to determine the strength of a chess >program. Nobody here, on this forum, would be able to sustain a direct assault >in a regulation game against any of the top chess software. Kramnik can and >will! When talking about chess Kramnik (and the like) can prove what thay talk >about, the rest of us should sit back and take lessoons. :-) > >For all intense and purposes Kramnik is correct. > >Don't be so surprised. In another 5 years your PDA will be better chess player >than Deep Blue ever was. :-) > >Regards, >hristo I think their might be a might good chance that Fritz indeed is stronger then Deep Bleu If Deep Bleu's posetional knowledge was so great then explain game nr1 I also think that Deep Bleu's mobilety was much to low Also if it had much more positional understanding it would have been able to bring big disasters on the board (based on Kingafety)which never happened in the match. So my findings over the program Hardware fine Software bad. Not to mention that Kasparov did not have prepared himself for that match The chance is big that Kramnik even can't win from most of today's programs on a 200Mhz computer without preparetion and this preparetion actualy is cheating like I mentioned before. They could overcome this problem by sending some won games from Fritz7 To show it's style Rather by first bring it out (So games can be colected.) giving Mr Kramnik the program And then start the match. Fritz also never can start with a suprising move like a human can Like Boby Fischer played 1.b4 Not because he thought it was good but because of the suprise. Leaving the oponent unprepared. Today this move is searched out much more then today but it only is an example. Then again if I never would have analyesed theory and put it public we would not even discus this now. (At least Boris Alterman did take use of it which can't be said about this forum Who did deleted most of my important analyses. For some small fees. Which actualy means Chessbase and New and chess do not have copyrights over some of their products,like they caim (In fact it is ripped Warez hehe)Hey I didn't knew you can copyright that too) So I am also to blaim. Regards Marc
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