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Subject: Re: Unbelieveable...Kramnik says Fritz is better than deep Blue

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:39:55 04/11/02

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On April 11, 2002 at 05:37:15, stuart taylor wrote:

>On April 11, 2002 at 04:46:01, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>On April 10, 2002 at 17:57:25, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On April 10, 2002 at 17:28:34, Amir Ban wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 10, 2002 at 01:24:55, Joshua Lee wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=255
>>>>>
>>>>>Kramnik may not know anything about programming but when he says Fritz was
>>>>>suggesting objectively better moves than Deep Blue Played.....For someone of his
>>>>>level of play to say such a thing. DB might have had extra knowledge than fritz
>>>>>or any other program doesn't who really knows.....there is not enough
>>>>>disclosure. Still i would like to see if anyone has found a position from either
>>>>>match inwhich DB played a move that is out of Commercials grasp.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am pretty sure this is like the thousandth message that asks this question.
>>>>
>>>>He was stating the obvious. Fritz6 and Junior6 were already stronger than DB,
>>>>and I said so at the time.
>>>>
>>>>Amir
>>>
>>>
>>>Obvious to _whom_???
>>>
>>>not anyone in "reality" I don't think...
>>>
>>>Or did I miss where Fritz6 and Junior6 beat kasparov in a 6 game match at
>>>40/2???
>>
>>
>>Bob, take some good advice, you are going to lose this one. I agree, much has to
>>do with wishful thinking, you can't fight that :)
>>
>>Ed
>
>Ed or others, how do you explain Bobs eloquent descriptions of the massive
>amount of knowledge, not at expense of calculation speed etc. which was put into
>DB?
>S.Taylor


He doesn't and he wasn't trying to.  Re-read what he wrote.  He described
a "futile argument" problem.  And note the ":)" which is important.  :)



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