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Subject: Re: Unbelieveable...Kramnik says Fritz is better than deep Blue

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:41:10 04/11/02

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On April 10, 2002 at 18:04:54, Uri Blass wrote:

>On April 10, 2002 at 17:57:25, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 10, 2002 at 17:28:34, Amir Ban wrote:
>>
>>>On April 10, 2002 at 01:24:55, Joshua Lee wrote:
>>>
>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=255
>>>>
>>>>Kramnik may not know anything about programming but when he says Fritz was
>>>>suggesting objectively better moves than Deep Blue Played.....For someone of his
>>>>level of play to say such a thing. DB might have had extra knowledge than fritz
>>>>or any other program doesn't who really knows.....there is not enough
>>>>disclosure. Still i would like to see if anyone has found a position from either
>>>>match inwhich DB played a move that is out of Commercials grasp.
>>>>
>>>>I am pretty sure this is like the thousandth message that asks this question.
>>>
>>>He was stating the obvious. Fritz6 and Junior6 were already stronger than DB,
>>>and I said so at the time.
>>>
>>>Amir
>>
>>
>>Obvious to _whom_???
>
>It is easy to find people that it is obvious to them (for example Vincent
>Diepveen and Kramnik)
>I also believe that Fritz7 on good machine is better than Deeper blue.
>
>>
>>not anyone in "reality" I don't think...
>>
>>Or did I miss where Fritz6 and Junior6 beat kasparov in a 6 game match at
>>40/2???
>
>It proves nothing.
>Junior was also leading 5-0 against Fritz.
>Does it mean that Junior was better than Fritz?
>
>Uri


So what.  Junior and Fritz are _programs_.  Were junior leading Kasparov 5-0
it would be _so_ much more important...



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