Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 11:34:20 04/11/02
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On April 11, 2002 at 09:39:55, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On April 11, 2002 at 05:37:15, stuart taylor wrote: > >>On April 11, 2002 at 04:46:01, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>On April 10, 2002 at 17:57:25, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On April 10, 2002 at 17:28:34, Amir Ban wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 10, 2002 at 01:24:55, Joshua Lee wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=255 >>>>>> >>>>>>Kramnik may not know anything about programming but when he says Fritz was >>>>>>suggesting objectively better moves than Deep Blue Played.....For someone of his >>>>>>level of play to say such a thing. DB might have had extra knowledge than fritz >>>>>>or any other program doesn't who really knows.....there is not enough >>>>>>disclosure. Still i would like to see if anyone has found a position from either >>>>>>match inwhich DB played a move that is out of Commercials grasp. >>>>>> >>>>>>I am pretty sure this is like the thousandth message that asks this question. >>>>> >>>>>He was stating the obvious. Fritz6 and Junior6 were already stronger than DB, >>>>>and I said so at the time. >>>>> >>>>>Amir >>>> >>>> >>>>Obvious to _whom_??? >>>> >>>>not anyone in "reality" I don't think... >>>> >>>>Or did I miss where Fritz6 and Junior6 beat kasparov in a 6 game match at >>>>40/2??? >>> >>> >>>Bob, take some good advice, you are going to lose this one. I agree, much has to >>>do with wishful thinking, you can't fight that :) >>> >>>Ed >> >>Ed or others, how do you explain Bobs eloquent descriptions of the massive >>amount of knowledge, not at expense of calculation speed etc. which was put into >>DB? >>S.Taylor > > >He doesn't and he wasn't trying to. Re-read what he wrote. He described >a "futile argument" problem. And note the ":)" which is important. :) Bob, you missed the point, the argument itself isn't futile at all. I think the majority (myself included) truly believes nowayds chess programs are clearly superior to DB-97. Since nobody can proof himself being right, the thing doesn't exist any longer, the wishful thinking starts. I consider you as the last of the Mohicans, when are you going to give up, 2010, 2020, ever? Please smile, for a moment I feel back in the good old days of 1996 and I won't challenge you for another hysteric 1-100 game, I promise :) Ed
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