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Subject: Re: Slate comes back from vacation and gives him DB 2 cents.........

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 01:23:04 04/12/02

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On April 12, 2002 at 03:24:59, Slater Wold wrote:

>Just came back from a 2 week vacation, and boy, it was nice.  Also saw Marc
>Boulé found his way here; Welcome!
>
>Now, a DB rant:
>
>There are at LEAST 100 reasons I can think of why Kramnick would make such a
>ridiculous statement.  Here are a few:
>
>1.) to boost interest in the game
>
>2.) to boost his own "man vs machine" repitore.  example: "Kaspy couldn't defend
>man against the machine, I CAN!"
>
>3.) refer to #2 and repeat, "..I can beat Fritz 7, and thus beat DB, and invite
>you to pay me $1,000,000 to beat your program!  (And a small settlement if I
>lose).."
>
>Fritz 7 is a good program, without a doubt, one of the best for PCs.  HOWEVER,
>get real.  4M "wiser" nps isn't CLOSE to 200M "wise" nps.  No matter how you
>look at it.

There is an assumption that the 200M are "wise" nps.

I believe that if Crafty has no bugs then Crafty17.07 at 200M nps is slightly
better than the Fritz that kramnik is going to play but only slightly better
than it.

I believe that crafty is smarter than deepr blue and the same number of nodes
crafty is going to beat deeper blue.

I also believe that there is diminishing returns so I do not believe your
estimate for Crafty with 200M nodes.

50 elo may be right for the first doubling but every doubling later is going to
give only about 90% of the previous doubling.



<snipped>
>Junior 6 and Junior 7 are seperated by a mere 25 Elo on the SSDF, on the same
>exact HW.  However Junior 7 on an AMD 1200mhz is 84 Elo points stronger than
>Junior 7 on an AMD K6/2 450mhz.  I know that Deep Junior 7 gets around 2M nps on
>my 2x1.53Ghz system.  Now imagine raising that 200M.

You use Junior that did not get a significant improvement from Junior6 to
Junior7.
It may be better to compare Fritz that is the best program based on the ssdf and
improved more in a shorter time.

Uri



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