Author: Enrique Irazoqui
Date: 09:49:44 04/13/02
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I just found out that there are 2 versions of Fritz 7.0.0.6, same size, different dates: one of January 7th, the other of January 11th. The last one seems identical to 7.0.0.7, while the first one is at times different. I was using the first and you the second. A bit confusing to keep track of these things... Enrique On April 13, 2002 at 12:25:13, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >On April 13, 2002 at 06:43:39, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: > >>On April 12, 2002 at 13:50:36, Mike S. wrote: >> >>>On April 12, 2002 at 10:55:11, Chessfun wrote: >>> >>>>(...) >>>>And its back again, so now I have 7,0,0,7 but I'll still trust your analysis. >>> >>>I have just updated (again), and if I have correctly done everything than >>>today's update installs the same engine like yesterday's. Version and file date >>>are identical, also the old DOS file comparison program comp.exe says it is >>>identical. GUI version is April 12th 2002 now. >>> >>>I've even done some positions tests again, and the results were identical to >>>those of 7.0.0.6, or within +/- one second. >>> >>>Here are detailed infos on the changes (GUI, Server etc.): >>>http://f23.parsimony.net/forum50826/messages/40162.htm >>> >>>(only in german though) >>> >>>Regards, >>>Mike >> >>In the majority of positions I tried, there is no difference between 7.0.0.6 and >>7.0.0.7, as you say. But in some others the latter finds the solution 1 ply >>later. For instance, in >> >>[D]8/1p6/p4p1p/2p1P2k/5P2/6pP/1P4P1/6K1 w - - 0 1 ; bm f5 >>[D]2r1r1k1/p4pp1/1p1Pn1p1/6q1/P5P1/BP2Pp1P/5P2/Q1RR2K1 b - - 0 1 ; bm Nf4 >> >>F7.0.0.6 finds f5 at ply 18, F7.0.0.7 at ply 19. >>F7.0.0.6 finds Nf4 at ply 14, F7.0.0.7 at ply 15. >> >>I checked with an AMD 1800+ and 512MB hash, and a notebook PIII-750 with 64MB >>hash, both running Windows XP. >> >>Enrique > >Enrique, I think that engines are identical! > >Here: > >Ich konnte Enriques Angaben nicht folgen (wo sind seine Analysen?)! > >Ich machs jedenfalls gründlich. > >Auf einem normalsterblichen PC (bei mir ein P600) mit 128 MB hash ergab sich >folgendes: > >Ich speicherte die Stellungen zunächst in eine Datenbank. Dann lud ich Stellung >1, löschte die HT und startete die Analyse von Fritz 7007: > >Neue Partie1 >8/1p6/p4p1p/2p1P2k/5P2/6pP/1P4P1/6K1 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Fritz 7: > >1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 c4 4.Ke2 a5 5.Ke3 Kf8 6.Ke4 b5 7.Kd5 >= (0.00) Tiefe: 12/19 00:00:00 61kN >1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 c4 4.Ke2 Kf8 5.Ke3 Ke7 6.Kf4 Kd6 7.Ke4 Ke7 8.Kd5 >= (0.09) Tiefe: 13/22 00:00:00 88kN >1.e6-- >= (-0.19) Tiefe: 14/23 00:00:00 138kN >1.e6 >= (-0.19) Tiefe: 14/23 00:00:00 171kN >1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 b5 4.Ke2 Kf8 5.h4 a5 6.h5 c4 >= (0.03) Tiefe: 15/24 00:00:01 313kN >1.e6-- >= (-0.25) Tiefe: 16/24 00:00:02 477kN >1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 b5 4.Ke2 Kf8 5.h4 a5 6.Kd3 Ke7 7.Ke4 c4 8.Ke3 >³ (-0.34) Tiefe: 16/28 00:00:03 623kN >1.e6-- >³ (-0.62) Tiefe: 17/27 00:00:04 955kN >1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 b5 4.Ke2 a5 5.Kf3 a4 6.Ke4 b4 7.Kd3 Kg8 8.Kc4 >µ (-0.81) Tiefe: 17/28 00:00:05 1185kN >1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 a5 4.Ke2 Kf8 5.Ke3 b5 6.Ke4 a4 7.Kd5 b4 8.Kc4 >µ (-0.91) Tiefe: 18/29 00:00:09 2267kN >1.e6-- >µ (-1.19) Tiefe: 19/29 00:00:13 3314kN >1.e6 >µ (-1.19) Tiefe: 19/29 00:00:14 3661kN >1.f5! >µ (-1.16) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:20 5193kN >1.f5! >µ (-1.00) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:21 5511kN >1.f5! >³ (-0.69) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:22 5845kN >1.f5! >= (-0.06) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:24 6258kN >1.f5 fxe5 2.h4 b5 3.Kf1 c4 4.Ke2 b4 5.Kf3 Kxh4 6.f6 c3 7.bxc3 bxc3 8.Ke3 >± (0.91) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:26 6868kN >1.f5 fxe5 2.h4 b5 3.Kf1 c4 4.Ke2 b4 5.Kf3 Kxh4 6.f6 c3 7.bxc3 bxc3 8.Ke3 >± (0.91) Tiefe: 20/37 00:00:29 7825kN >1.f5! >± (1.19) Tiefe: 21/41 00:00:40 10987kN >1.f5! >+- (1.47) Tiefe: 21/41 00:00:44 12168kN >1.f5 fxe5 2.h4 b5 3.Kf1 c4 4.Ke2 e4 5.Ke3 b4 6.Kxe4 c3 7.bxc3 b3 8.Kd3 >+- (1.72) Tiefe: 21/41 00:00:49 13775kN >1.f5! >+- (2.00) Tiefe: 22/42 00:01:10 20067kN, tb=10 > >(Nemeth, Stuttgart 13.04.2002) > >Ich beendete die das Analysefenster und löschte wieder die HT. dann startete >ich die Analyse der Stellung 2 mit Fritz 7007: > >Neue Partie2 >2r1r1k1/p4pp1/1p1Pn1p1/6q1/P5P1/BP2Pp1P/5P2/Q1RR2K1 b - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Fritz 7: > >1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Dh4 3.De5 Dxh3 4.Dg3 Dxg3+ 5.fxg3 a6 >= (0.06) Tiefe: 7/19 00:00:00 82kN >1...Txc1 2.Lxc1 Td8 3.e4 Dc5 4.La3 Dc2 5.Db1 De2 >= (0.22) Tiefe: 8/21 00:00:01 265kN >1...Txc1 2.Lxc1 Td8 3.e4 Dh4 4.De5 Dxh3 5.Dg3 Dxg3+ 6.fxg3 a6 >= (0.19) Tiefe: 9/24 00:00:02 480kN >1...Txc1 2.Lxc1 Sc5 3.Dc3 Dh4 4.Lb2 f6 5.Dc4+ Kh7 6.Df4 Dxh3 7.Dh2 >= (0.09) Tiefe: 10/27 00:00:06 1584kN >1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Td8 3.Td1 Dh6 4.De5 Sg5 5.Lb2 Sxh3+ 6.Kf1 Sg5 7.Kg1 Se6 >= (-0.06) Tiefe: 11/30 00:00:17 4861kN >1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Td8 3.Tc2 Dh6 4.Kh2 Sg5 5.Df1 Dh4 6.Tc7 Se4 7.Kg1 a6 >= (-0.03) Tiefe: 12/32 00:00:31 9158kN >1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Kh7 3.d7 Td8 4.Td1 Dh6 5.De5 Sg5 6.Lb2 Sxh3+ 7.Kf1 Sg5 8.Kg1 >Sh3+ >= (0.00) Tiefe: 13/34 00:01:32 28898kN >1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Td8 3.Tc4 Dh6 4.De5 Sg5 5.Dh2 Sxh3+ 6.Kf1 a6 7.Tc6 Dh4 8.Txb6 a5 >= (0.22) Tiefe: 14/40 00:03:16 62475kN >1...Tb8! >= (0.19) Tiefe: 14/40 00:05:48 113092kN >1...Tb8 2.d7 Ted8 3.Td3 Tb7 4.Tc8 Tbxd7 5.Txd7 Txc8 6.Dd1 Dh4 >= (0.12) Tiefe: 14/40 00:06:34 128209kN >1...Tb8 2.d7 Ted8 3.Td3 Tb7 4.Tc8 Tbxd7 5.Txd7 Txc8 6.Dd1 Dh4 7.Dxf3 >= (0.12) Tiefe: 15/34 00:09:14 181878kN >1...Sf4! >= (0.09) Tiefe: 15/39 00:17:15 339902kN > >(Nemeth, Stuttgart 13.04.2002) > >Ich beendete das Fritzprogramm und schlatete den PC ab für exakt 5'. >Dann bootete ich neu und wechselte die Engine. dann zuerst wieder Stellung1, >das löschgen der HT und Start der Analyse: > >Fritz 7006 (11.01.02): > >Neue Partie1 >8/1p6/p4p1p/2p1P2k/5P2/6pP/1P4P1/6K1 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Fritz 7: > >1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 c4 4.Ke2 a5 5.Ke3 Kf8 6.Ke4 b5 7.Kd5 >= (0.00) Tiefe: 12/19 00:00:00 61kN >1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 c4 4.Ke2 Kf8 5.Ke3 Ke7 6.Kf4 Kd6 7.Ke4 Ke7 8.Kd5 >= (0.09) Tiefe: 13/22 00:00:00 88kN >1.e6-- >= (-0.19) Tiefe: 14/23 00:00:00 138kN >1.e6 >= (-0.19) Tiefe: 14/23 00:00:00 171kN >1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 b5 4.Ke2 Kf8 5.h4 a5 6.h5 c4 >= (0.03) Tiefe: 15/24 00:00:01 313kN >1.e6-- >= (-0.25) Tiefe: 16/24 00:00:02 477kN >1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 b5 4.Ke2 Kf8 5.h4 a5 6.Kd3 Ke7 7.Ke4 c4 8.Ke3 >³ (-0.34) Tiefe: 16/28 00:00:02 623kN >1.e6-- >³ (-0.62) Tiefe: 17/27 00:00:04 955kN >1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 b5 4.Ke2 a5 5.Kf3 a4 6.Ke4 b4 7.Kd3 Kg8 8.Kc4 >µ (-0.81) Tiefe: 17/28 00:00:05 1185kN >1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 a5 4.Ke2 Kf8 5.Ke3 b5 6.Ke4 a4 7.Kd5 b4 8.Kc4 >µ (-0.91) Tiefe: 18/29 00:00:09 2267kN >1.e6-- >µ (-1.19) Tiefe: 19/29 00:00:13 3314kN >1.e6 >µ (-1.19) Tiefe: 19/29 00:00:14 3661kN >1.f5! >µ (-1.16) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:19 5193kN >1.f5! >µ (-1.00) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:20 5511kN >1.f5! >³ (-0.69) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:21 5845kN >1.f5! >= (-0.06) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:23 6258kN >1.f5 fxe5 2.h4 b5 3.Kf1 c4 4.Ke2 b4 5.Kf3 Kxh4 6.f6 c3 7.bxc3 bxc3 8.Ke3 >± (0.91) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:25 6868kN > >(Nemeth, Stuttgart 13.04.2002) > >Die Analyse der Engine beendete ich nun, lud Stellung 2 und löschte wieder >die HT. Dann erst (!) wieder Start der Analyse: > >Neue Partie2 >2r1r1k1/p4pp1/1p1Pn1p1/6q1/P5P1/BP2Pp1P/5P2/Q1RR2K1 b - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Fritz 7: > >1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Dh4 3.De5 Dxh3 4.Dg3 Dxg3+ 5.fxg3 a6 >= (0.06) Tiefe: 7/20 00:00:00 109kN >1...Txc1 2.Lxc1 Td8 3.e4 Dc5 4.La3 Dc2 5.Db1 De2 >= (0.22) Tiefe: 8/21 00:00:01 265kN >1...Txc1 2.Lxc1 Td8 3.e4 Dh4 4.De5 Dxh3 5.Dg3 Dxg3+ 6.fxg3 a6 >= (0.19) Tiefe: 9/24 00:00:02 480kN >1...Txc1 2.Lxc1 Sc5 3.Dc3 Dh4 4.Lb2 f6 5.Dc4+ Kh7 6.Df4 Dxh3 7.Dh2 >= (0.09) Tiefe: 10/27 00:00:06 1584kN >1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Td8 3.Td1 Dh6 4.De5 Sg5 5.Lb2 Sxh3+ 6.Kf1 Sg5 7.Kg1 Se6 >= (-0.06) Tiefe: 11/30 00:00:16 4861kN >1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Td8 3.Tc2 Dh6 4.Kh2 Sg5 5.Df1 Dh4 6.Tc7 Se4 7.Kg1 a6 >= (-0.03) Tiefe: 12/32 00:00:30 9158kN >1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Kh7 3.d7 Td8 4.Td1 Dh6 5.De5 Sg5 6.Lb2 Sxh3+ 7.Kf1 Sg5 8.Kg1 >Sh3+ >= (0.00) Tiefe: 13/34 00:01:31 28898kN >1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Td8 3.Tc4 Dh6 4.De5 Sg5 5.Dh2 Sxh3+ 6.Kf1 a6 7.Tc6 Dh4 8.Txb6 a5 >= (0.22) Tiefe: 14/40 00:03:13 62475kN >1...Tb8! >= (0.19) Tiefe: 14/40 00:05:44 113092kN >1...Tb8 2.d7 Ted8 3.Td3 Tb7 4.Tc8 Tbxd7 5.Txd7 Txc8 6.Dd1 Dh4 >= (0.12) Tiefe: 14/40 00:06:30 128209kN >1...Tb8 2.d7 Ted8 3.Td3 Tb7 4.Tc8 Tbxd7 5.Txd7 Txc8 6.Dd1 Dh4 7.Dxf3 >= (0.12) Tiefe: 15/34 00:09:08 181878kN >1...Sf4! >= (0.09) Tiefe: 15/39 00:17:03 339902kN > >(Nemeth, Stuttgart 13.04.2002) > >Wie man sieht sind die Analysen IDENTISCH (abgesehen von Zeitunterschieden, >was normal ist)! > >Fritz 7.006 (vom 11.01.02) ist von Schachcode identisch mit Fritz 7007! > >Eduard
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