Author: Eduard Nemeth
Date: 09:51:18 04/13/02
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On April 13, 2002 at 12:49:44, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >I just found out that there are 2 versions of Fritz 7.0.0.6, same size, >different dates: one of January 7th, the other of January 11th. The last one >seems identical to 7.0.0.7, while the first one is at times different. I was >using the first and you the second. A bit confusing to keep track of these >things... > >Enrique > > >On April 13, 2002 at 12:25:13, Eduard Nemeth wrote: > >>On April 13, 2002 at 06:43:39, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >> >>>On April 12, 2002 at 13:50:36, Mike S. wrote: >>> >>>>On April 12, 2002 at 10:55:11, Chessfun wrote: >>>> >>>>>(...) >>>>>And its back again, so now I have 7,0,0,7 but I'll still trust your analysis. >>>> >>>>I have just updated (again), and if I have correctly done everything than >>>>today's update installs the same engine like yesterday's. Version and file date >>>>are identical, also the old DOS file comparison program comp.exe says it is >>>>identical. GUI version is April 12th 2002 now. >>>> >>>>I've even done some positions tests again, and the results were identical to >>>>those of 7.0.0.6, or within +/- one second. >>>> >>>>Here are detailed infos on the changes (GUI, Server etc.): >>>>http://f23.parsimony.net/forum50826/messages/40162.htm >>>> >>>>(only in german though) >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>Mike >>> >>>In the majority of positions I tried, there is no difference between 7.0.0.6 and >>>7.0.0.7, as you say. But in some others the latter finds the solution 1 ply >>>later. For instance, in >>> >>>[D]8/1p6/p4p1p/2p1P2k/5P2/6pP/1P4P1/6K1 w - - 0 1 ; bm f5 >>>[D]2r1r1k1/p4pp1/1p1Pn1p1/6q1/P5P1/BP2Pp1P/5P2/Q1RR2K1 b - - 0 1 ; bm Nf4 >>> >>>F7.0.0.6 finds f5 at ply 18, F7.0.0.7 at ply 19. >>>F7.0.0.6 finds Nf4 at ply 14, F7.0.0.7 at ply 15. >>> >>>I checked with an AMD 1800+ and 512MB hash, and a notebook PIII-750 with 64MB >>>hash, both running Windows XP. >>> >>>Enrique >> >>Enrique, I think that engines are identical! >> >>Here: >> >>Ich konnte Enriques Angaben nicht folgen (wo sind seine Analysen?)! >> >>Ich machs jedenfalls gründlich. >> >>Auf einem normalsterblichen PC (bei mir ein P600) mit 128 MB hash ergab sich >>folgendes: >> >>Ich speicherte die Stellungen zunächst in eine Datenbank. Dann lud ich Stellung >>1, löschte die HT und startete die Analyse von Fritz 7007: >> >>Neue Partie1 >>8/1p6/p4p1p/2p1P2k/5P2/6pP/1P4P1/6K1 w - - 0 1 >> >>Analysis by Fritz 7: >> >>1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 c4 4.Ke2 a5 5.Ke3 Kf8 6.Ke4 b5 7.Kd5 >>= (0.00) Tiefe: 12/19 00:00:00 61kN >>1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 c4 4.Ke2 Kf8 5.Ke3 Ke7 6.Kf4 Kd6 7.Ke4 Ke7 8.Kd5 >>= (0.09) Tiefe: 13/22 00:00:00 88kN >>1.e6-- >>= (-0.19) Tiefe: 14/23 00:00:00 138kN >>1.e6 >>= (-0.19) Tiefe: 14/23 00:00:00 171kN >>1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 b5 4.Ke2 Kf8 5.h4 a5 6.h5 c4 >>= (0.03) Tiefe: 15/24 00:00:01 313kN >>1.e6-- >>= (-0.25) Tiefe: 16/24 00:00:02 477kN >>1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 b5 4.Ke2 Kf8 5.h4 a5 6.Kd3 Ke7 7.Ke4 c4 8.Ke3 >>³ (-0.34) Tiefe: 16/28 00:00:03 623kN >>1.e6-- >>³ (-0.62) Tiefe: 17/27 00:00:04 955kN >>1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 b5 4.Ke2 a5 5.Kf3 a4 6.Ke4 b4 7.Kd3 Kg8 8.Kc4 >>µ (-0.81) Tiefe: 17/28 00:00:05 1185kN >>1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 a5 4.Ke2 Kf8 5.Ke3 b5 6.Ke4 a4 7.Kd5 b4 8.Kc4 >>µ (-0.91) Tiefe: 18/29 00:00:09 2267kN >>1.e6-- >>µ (-1.19) Tiefe: 19/29 00:00:13 3314kN >>1.e6 >>µ (-1.19) Tiefe: 19/29 00:00:14 3661kN >>1.f5! >>µ (-1.16) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:20 5193kN >>1.f5! >>µ (-1.00) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:21 5511kN >>1.f5! >>³ (-0.69) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:22 5845kN >>1.f5! >>= (-0.06) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:24 6258kN >>1.f5 fxe5 2.h4 b5 3.Kf1 c4 4.Ke2 b4 5.Kf3 Kxh4 6.f6 c3 7.bxc3 bxc3 8.Ke3 >>± (0.91) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:26 6868kN >>1.f5 fxe5 2.h4 b5 3.Kf1 c4 4.Ke2 b4 5.Kf3 Kxh4 6.f6 c3 7.bxc3 bxc3 8.Ke3 >>± (0.91) Tiefe: 20/37 00:00:29 7825kN >>1.f5! >>± (1.19) Tiefe: 21/41 00:00:40 10987kN >>1.f5! >>+- (1.47) Tiefe: 21/41 00:00:44 12168kN >>1.f5 fxe5 2.h4 b5 3.Kf1 c4 4.Ke2 e4 5.Ke3 b4 6.Kxe4 c3 7.bxc3 b3 8.Kd3 >>+- (1.72) Tiefe: 21/41 00:00:49 13775kN >>1.f5! >>+- (2.00) Tiefe: 22/42 00:01:10 20067kN, tb=10 >> >>(Nemeth, Stuttgart 13.04.2002) >> >>Ich beendete die das Analysefenster und löschte wieder die HT. dann startete >>ich die Analyse der Stellung 2 mit Fritz 7007: >> >>Neue Partie2 >>2r1r1k1/p4pp1/1p1Pn1p1/6q1/P5P1/BP2Pp1P/5P2/Q1RR2K1 b - - 0 1 >> >>Analysis by Fritz 7: >> >>1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Dh4 3.De5 Dxh3 4.Dg3 Dxg3+ 5.fxg3 a6 >>= (0.06) Tiefe: 7/19 00:00:00 82kN >>1...Txc1 2.Lxc1 Td8 3.e4 Dc5 4.La3 Dc2 5.Db1 De2 >>= (0.22) Tiefe: 8/21 00:00:01 265kN >>1...Txc1 2.Lxc1 Td8 3.e4 Dh4 4.De5 Dxh3 5.Dg3 Dxg3+ 6.fxg3 a6 >>= (0.19) Tiefe: 9/24 00:00:02 480kN >>1...Txc1 2.Lxc1 Sc5 3.Dc3 Dh4 4.Lb2 f6 5.Dc4+ Kh7 6.Df4 Dxh3 7.Dh2 >>= (0.09) Tiefe: 10/27 00:00:06 1584kN >>1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Td8 3.Td1 Dh6 4.De5 Sg5 5.Lb2 Sxh3+ 6.Kf1 Sg5 7.Kg1 Se6 >>= (-0.06) Tiefe: 11/30 00:00:17 4861kN >>1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Td8 3.Tc2 Dh6 4.Kh2 Sg5 5.Df1 Dh4 6.Tc7 Se4 7.Kg1 a6 >>= (-0.03) Tiefe: 12/32 00:00:31 9158kN >>1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Kh7 3.d7 Td8 4.Td1 Dh6 5.De5 Sg5 6.Lb2 Sxh3+ 7.Kf1 Sg5 8.Kg1 >>Sh3+ >>= (0.00) Tiefe: 13/34 00:01:32 28898kN >>1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Td8 3.Tc4 Dh6 4.De5 Sg5 5.Dh2 Sxh3+ 6.Kf1 a6 7.Tc6 Dh4 8.Txb6 a5 >>= (0.22) Tiefe: 14/40 00:03:16 62475kN >>1...Tb8! >>= (0.19) Tiefe: 14/40 00:05:48 113092kN >>1...Tb8 2.d7 Ted8 3.Td3 Tb7 4.Tc8 Tbxd7 5.Txd7 Txc8 6.Dd1 Dh4 >>= (0.12) Tiefe: 14/40 00:06:34 128209kN >>1...Tb8 2.d7 Ted8 3.Td3 Tb7 4.Tc8 Tbxd7 5.Txd7 Txc8 6.Dd1 Dh4 7.Dxf3 >>= (0.12) Tiefe: 15/34 00:09:14 181878kN >>1...Sf4! >>= (0.09) Tiefe: 15/39 00:17:15 339902kN >> >>(Nemeth, Stuttgart 13.04.2002) >> >>Ich beendete das Fritzprogramm und schlatete den PC ab für exakt 5'. >>Dann bootete ich neu und wechselte die Engine. dann zuerst wieder Stellung1, >>das löschgen der HT und Start der Analyse: >> >>Fritz 7006 (11.01.02): >> >>Neue Partie1 >>8/1p6/p4p1p/2p1P2k/5P2/6pP/1P4P1/6K1 w - - 0 1 >> >>Analysis by Fritz 7: >> >>1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 c4 4.Ke2 a5 5.Ke3 Kf8 6.Ke4 b5 7.Kd5 >>= (0.00) Tiefe: 12/19 00:00:00 61kN >>1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 c4 4.Ke2 Kf8 5.Ke3 Ke7 6.Kf4 Kd6 7.Ke4 Ke7 8.Kd5 >>= (0.09) Tiefe: 13/22 00:00:00 88kN >>1.e6-- >>= (-0.19) Tiefe: 14/23 00:00:00 138kN >>1.e6 >>= (-0.19) Tiefe: 14/23 00:00:00 171kN >>1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 b5 4.Ke2 Kf8 5.h4 a5 6.h5 c4 >>= (0.03) Tiefe: 15/24 00:00:01 313kN >>1.e6-- >>= (-0.25) Tiefe: 16/24 00:00:02 477kN >>1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 b5 4.Ke2 Kf8 5.h4 a5 6.Kd3 Ke7 7.Ke4 c4 8.Ke3 >>³ (-0.34) Tiefe: 16/28 00:00:02 623kN >>1.e6-- >>³ (-0.62) Tiefe: 17/27 00:00:04 955kN >>1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 b5 4.Ke2 a5 5.Kf3 a4 6.Ke4 b4 7.Kd3 Kg8 8.Kc4 >>µ (-0.81) Tiefe: 17/28 00:00:05 1185kN >>1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 a5 4.Ke2 Kf8 5.Ke3 b5 6.Ke4 a4 7.Kd5 b4 8.Kc4 >>µ (-0.91) Tiefe: 18/29 00:00:09 2267kN >>1.e6-- >>µ (-1.19) Tiefe: 19/29 00:00:13 3314kN >>1.e6 >>µ (-1.19) Tiefe: 19/29 00:00:14 3661kN >>1.f5! >>µ (-1.16) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:19 5193kN >>1.f5! >>µ (-1.00) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:20 5511kN >>1.f5! >>³ (-0.69) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:21 5845kN >>1.f5! >>= (-0.06) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:23 6258kN >>1.f5 fxe5 2.h4 b5 3.Kf1 c4 4.Ke2 b4 5.Kf3 Kxh4 6.f6 c3 7.bxc3 bxc3 8.Ke3 >>± (0.91) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:25 6868kN >> >>(Nemeth, Stuttgart 13.04.2002) >> >>Die Analyse der Engine beendete ich nun, lud Stellung 2 und löschte wieder >>die HT. Dann erst (!) wieder Start der Analyse: >> >>Neue Partie2 >>2r1r1k1/p4pp1/1p1Pn1p1/6q1/P5P1/BP2Pp1P/5P2/Q1RR2K1 b - - 0 1 >> >>Analysis by Fritz 7: >> >>1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Dh4 3.De5 Dxh3 4.Dg3 Dxg3+ 5.fxg3 a6 >>= (0.06) Tiefe: 7/20 00:00:00 109kN >>1...Txc1 2.Lxc1 Td8 3.e4 Dc5 4.La3 Dc2 5.Db1 De2 >>= (0.22) Tiefe: 8/21 00:00:01 265kN >>1...Txc1 2.Lxc1 Td8 3.e4 Dh4 4.De5 Dxh3 5.Dg3 Dxg3+ 6.fxg3 a6 >>= (0.19) Tiefe: 9/24 00:00:02 480kN >>1...Txc1 2.Lxc1 Sc5 3.Dc3 Dh4 4.Lb2 f6 5.Dc4+ Kh7 6.Df4 Dxh3 7.Dh2 >>= (0.09) Tiefe: 10/27 00:00:06 1584kN >>1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Td8 3.Td1 Dh6 4.De5 Sg5 5.Lb2 Sxh3+ 6.Kf1 Sg5 7.Kg1 Se6 >>= (-0.06) Tiefe: 11/30 00:00:16 4861kN >>1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Td8 3.Tc2 Dh6 4.Kh2 Sg5 5.Df1 Dh4 6.Tc7 Se4 7.Kg1 a6 >>= (-0.03) Tiefe: 12/32 00:00:30 9158kN >>1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Kh7 3.d7 Td8 4.Td1 Dh6 5.De5 Sg5 6.Lb2 Sxh3+ 7.Kf1 Sg5 8.Kg1 >>Sh3+ >>= (0.00) Tiefe: 13/34 00:01:31 28898kN >>1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Td8 3.Tc4 Dh6 4.De5 Sg5 5.Dh2 Sxh3+ 6.Kf1 a6 7.Tc6 Dh4 8.Txb6 a5 >>= (0.22) Tiefe: 14/40 00:03:13 62475kN >>1...Tb8! >>= (0.19) Tiefe: 14/40 00:05:44 113092kN >>1...Tb8 2.d7 Ted8 3.Td3 Tb7 4.Tc8 Tbxd7 5.Txd7 Txc8 6.Dd1 Dh4 >>= (0.12) Tiefe: 14/40 00:06:30 128209kN >>1...Tb8 2.d7 Ted8 3.Td3 Tb7 4.Tc8 Tbxd7 5.Txd7 Txc8 6.Dd1 Dh4 7.Dxf3 >>= (0.12) Tiefe: 15/34 00:09:08 181878kN >>1...Sf4! >>= (0.09) Tiefe: 15/39 00:17:03 339902kN >> >>(Nemeth, Stuttgart 13.04.2002) >> >>Wie man sieht sind die Analysen IDENTISCH (abgesehen von Zeitunterschieden, >>was normal ist)! >> >>Fritz 7.006 (vom 11.01.02) ist von Schachcode identisch mit Fritz 7007! >> >>Eduard Unter ähnlichen Bedingungen (habe den PC neu gebootet) testete ich diese Stellungen noch mit der Engine vom 07.01.02. Sie ist hier eine wahre Granate!! P600, 128 MB hash: Neue Partie1 8/1p6/p4p1p/2p1P2k/5P2/6pP/1P4P1/6K1 w - - 0 1 Analysis by Fritz 7: 1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 c4 4.Ke2 a5 5.Ke3 Kf8 6.Ke4 b5 7.Kd5 = (-0.03) Tiefe: 12/19 00:00:00 61kN 1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 c4 4.Ke2 Kf8 5.Ke3 Ke7 6.Kf4 Kd6 7.Ke4 Ke7 8.Kd5 = (0.07) Tiefe: 13/22 00:00:00 88kN 1.e6-- = (-0.21) Tiefe: 14/23 00:00:00 140kN 1.e6 = (-0.21) Tiefe: 14/23 00:00:00 173kN 1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 b5 4.Ke2 Kf8 5.h4 a5 6.h5 c4 7.Ke3 c3 8.bxc3 = (0.00) Tiefe: 15/24 00:00:01 316kN 1.e6-- ³ (-0.28) Tiefe: 16/26 00:00:02 488kN 1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 b5 4.Ke2 Kf8 5.h4 a5 6.Kd3 Ke7 7.Ke4 c4 8.Ke3 ³ (-0.37) Tiefe: 16/28 00:00:02 648kN 1.e6-- ³ (-0.65) Tiefe: 17/29 00:00:04 1078kN 1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 b5 4.Ke2 a5 5.Ke3 a4 6.Kd3 b4 7.Kc4 Kf8 µ (-0.84) Tiefe: 17/29 00:00:05 1338kN 1.e6 Kg6 2.f5+ Kg7 3.Kf1 b5 4.Ke2 a5 5.Ke3 a4 6.Kd3 Kf8 7.h4 Ke7 8.h5 µ (-0.87) Tiefe: 18/31 00:00:08 2295kN 1.f5! µ (-0.84) Tiefe: 18/32 00:00:11 3182kN 1.f5! ³ (-0.68) Tiefe: 18/32 00:00:12 3367kN 1.f5! ³ (-0.37) Tiefe: 18/34 00:00:13 3555kN 1.f5! = (0.25) Tiefe: 18/34 00:00:13 3766kN 1.f5! ² (0.54) Tiefe: 19/35 00:00:15 4351kN 1.f5! ± (0.82) Tiefe: 19/35 00:00:17 4750kN 1.f5 fxe5 2.h4 b5 3.Kf1 c4 4.Ke2 b4 5.Kf3 Kxh4 6.f6 c3 7.bxc3 bxc3 8.Ke3 ± (0.88) Tiefe: 19/35 00:00:19 5290kN (Nemeth, Stuttgart 13.04.2002) Hier also Tiefe 18 !! Neue Partie2 2r1r1k1/p4pp1/1p1Pn1p1/6q1/P5P1/BP2Pp1P/5P2/Q1RR2K1 b - - 0 1 Analysis by Fritz 7: 1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Dh4 3.De5 Dxh3 4.Dg3 Dxg3+ 5.fxg3 a6 = (0.09) Tiefe: 7/20 00:00:00 109kN 1...Txc1 2.Lxc1 Td8 3.e4 Dc5 4.La3 Dc2 5.Db1 De2 = (0.25) Tiefe: 8/21 00:00:01 265kN 1...Txc1 2.Lxc1 Td8 3.e4 Dh4 4.De5 Dxh3 5.Dg3 Dxg3+ 6.fxg3 a6 = (0.21) Tiefe: 9/24 00:00:02 479kN 1...Txc1 2.Lxc1 Sc5 3.Dc3 Dh4 4.Lb2 f6 5.Dc4+ Kh7 6.Df4 Dxh3 7.Dh2 = (0.12) Tiefe: 10/27 00:00:06 1599kN 1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Td8 3.Td1 Dh6 4.De5 Sg5 5.Lb2 Sxh3+ 6.Kf1 Sg5 7.Kg1 Se6 = (-0.04) Tiefe: 11/30 00:00:17 5236kN 1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Td8 3.Tc2 Dh6 4.Kh2 Sg5 5.Df1 Dh4 6.Tc7 Se4 7.Kg1 a6 = (0.00) Tiefe: 12/32 00:00:29 9405kN 1...Txc1 2.Txc1 Kh7 3.d7 Td8 4.Td1 b5 5.Td2 bxa4 6.bxa4 Dh4 7.De5 Sg5 8.De8 Sxh3+ = (0.25) Tiefe: 13/35 00:01:29 30029kN 1...Tb8! = (0.21) Tiefe: 13/36 00:02:20 47800kN 1...Sf4! = (0.18) Tiefe: 13/36 00:03:24 70396kN (Nemeth, Stuttgart 13.04.2002) Schon nach 3:24 und Tiefe 13!!! Prüfe nach Enrique! Best, Eduard
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