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Subject: Re: Weird moderation - CCC failed to adress the weirdo's

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 12:31:36 04/14/02

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On April 14, 2002 at 15:15:27, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:

>On April 14, 2002 at 14:55:48, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On April 14, 2002 at 14:45:23, John Merlino wrote:
>>
>>I find this case just too obvious. He's not only asking
>>for a flamewar this Lagerhausen, even worse, he started
>>one.
>
>I agree that his posting was inflammatory, but the only
>one decides whether there is a flamewar or not is YOU.

I decided to ask for removal of the posting, so it is
obvious i didn't want to start one.

>Even worse, if you feel it is a personal attack, DO NOT EVER
>reply. The other people who read it can make up their own
>mind whether Thomas has an argument or whether he is insulting you.

That's nonsense. Mental ill persons like Marc van Hal i try
to ignore replying onto postings from (even though sometimes he
has a point), idem for this crazy nazi complexed person who wrote
at the time in rgcc, but i assume for now Lagershausen is not mental ill.

Ignoring those is not a good idea.

>Do you think Thomas insulting you will make people get a different
>opinion about you or about Thomas? I know for myself it would be
>the latter. (but I don't think he insulted you)

>If someone posts 'Diep sucks', *do* *not* reply. We can make up our

If i understood well, Chessbase usually sues persons who make such
statements. They probably were tempted to sue Schroeder BV again
for posting just a testset where fritz was compared with
gandalf in an unfair way, but
in the end i am not sure whether they sued.

Without wanting to make chessbase black here, because i also have
had courtcases already, and so has *anyone* in computerchess who is
making statements in the press and/or having a commercial program.

I am not a guy who starts courtcases soon, but knowing i already pay
an expensive lawyer, and knowing chessbase and others have probably
an even bigger bill, THAT is the way in which most companies deal with
personal insults, even *testresults* they do not like.

>own mind wheter it's right or not. I can assure you all posters
>you might care about on this board will only make a conclusion
>about the person that posted it, and not about Diep.

I would consider sueing such a person if i have his adress.

Having nowadays some legal experience and a 100% win history of
courtcases i have no problems with that anymore.

Note i have this 100% case win because i didn't start any courtcase
myself so far, though i am about to start one (not for a CCC issue
by the way).

Anyway i hope my point is made. Courtcases is what is a very
common way to proof issues. If you don't win a case completely
then in europe the nice thing is that the other side is completely
bankrupt because of lawyer costs.

Legal insurance is worth nothing as i found out. Those lawyers suck
ass.

I remember Ossi Weiner started a courtcase against Chessbits already for
posting a result from shredder which he didn't like (this was nearly a year
before the 5 other courtcases which happened later after
the world champs).

An in my eyes insane way to deal with people, but i hope you get my point.

>>I explained my point
>
>But you only did so _after_ Thomas made his complaint.

We both know Uri 100% sure would reply to this thread
in defense of Nunn's testset. If i say A then most likely
uri sees non-A :)

So there was not a hair on my body doubting i had to
write more explanation. With or without Lagershausen
that text would have been exactly the same.

I had expected by the way them to REMOVE the posting,
so i didn't even count on many reading it.

Obviously this has nothing to do with the casus.

>I would assume that after your explanation Thomas no longer
>feels your statement was worthless because it was unfounded.
>
>He might not agree with the arguments, but he can no longer
>complain about the lack of them.
>
>>I can understand why, but if a reaction to a posting in this
>>area is just intended to start a reaction from my side which
>>has *nothing* to do with computerchess, then it's obvious
>>it is off-topic.
>>
>>A moderator SHOULD understand that!!!
>
>I assume his post was a request to you for founding your
>statement. If you want to read more into it, don't. Some people
>aren't very good at stating things in a subtle way. I know a
>FIDE Master that wrote a strong chessprogram that isn't, either.
>
>--
>GCP



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