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Subject: Re: A Nice Move

Author: Michael Williams

Date: 22:54:12 04/14/02

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On April 13, 2002 at 16:58:45, K. Burcham wrote:

>
>this move was thought to be aggressive, that this should not be a "normal"
>program move. some think todays programs have a hard time finding this position.
>there are several programs that will play the Deep Blue move 11...h5.
>here we see Deep Junior7 will play 11...h5 in 15 seconds.
>all tests on 2x1533mhz amd mp
>
>Game 5
>11...h5   Deep Blue
> [D] r2qk2r/pp3ppp/2p1pn2/4n3/1b6/3P2PP/PPPN1PB1/R1BQK2R b KQkq - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Deep Junior 7:
>
>1...h5 2.0-0
>  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>1...Qd4 2.a3 Ba5 3.0-0
>  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  5kN
>1...Qd4 2.a3 Ba5 3.0-0
>  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  5kN
>1...Qd4 2.a3 Ba5 3.0-0
>  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  5kN
>1...Qd4 2.a3 Ba5 3.0-0
>  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  5kN
>1...Qd4 2.a3 Ba5 3.0-0
>  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  5kN
>1...Qd4 2.0-0 Bxd2 3.Qxd2 0-0-0 4.Qf4
>  =  (-0.08)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  68kN
>1...Qb6 2.a3 Bd6 3.Ne4 Nxe4 4.dxe4 Rd8 5.Qh5
>  =  (-0.16)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  107kN
>1...Qd6 2.a3 Ba5 3.f4 Ned7 4.b4 Bb6 5.Bb2
>  ³  (-0.32)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  562kN
>1...Qd6 2.0-0 0-0-0 3.d4 Ng6 4.c3 Ba5
>  =  (0.01)   Depth: 12   00:00:00  1522kN
>1...0-0 2.0-0 Ng6 3.d4 Ba5 4.Nf3
>  =  (-0.08)   Depth: 12   00:00:01  1522kN
>1...0-0 2.0-0 Ng6 3.c3 Be7 4.Qe2 Bc5 5.Re1 e5
>  =  (0.12)   Depth: 15   00:00:07  14413kN
>1...h5 2.Qe2 Bd6 3.d4 Ng6 4.0-0 h4 5.Qf3 Bc7 6.c3 hxg3 7.fxg3
>  =  (-0.04)   Depth: 15   00:00:15  22296kN
>1...h5 2.Qe2 Qc7 3.d4 Ng6 4.c3 Be7 5.Ne4 h4 6.Nxf6+ gxf6 7.gxh4 Rxh4 8.Be4
>  =  (0.13)   Depth: 17   00:01:05  121760kN
>1...h5 2.Qe2 Ng6 3.c3 Be7 4.h4 Qc7 5.Nf3 0-0-0 6.Be3 Qa5
>  =  (0.09)   Depth: 18   00:03:56  428179kN
>1...h5 2.Qe2 Ng6 3.c3 Bd6 4.h4 Ng4 5.d4 0-0 6.0-0 e5 7.Re1
>  =  (0.14)   Depth: 19   00:09:19  973117kN
>
>
>
>Fritz 7 (No MMX):
>
>1...0-0 2.Qe2 Qd6
>  ³  (-0.44)   Depth: 3/10   00:00:00
>1...0-0 2.Qe2 Qd6
>  ³  (-0.44)   Depth: 3/10   00:00:00
>1...0-0 2.Qe2 Qd6
>  ³  (-0.44)   Depth: 3/10   00:00:00
>1...0-0 2.Qe2 Qd6
>  ³  (-0.44)   Depth: 3/10   00:00:00
>1...0-0 2.Qe2 Qd6 3.0-0
>  ³  (-0.34)   Depth: 4/10   00:00:00  1kN
>1...0-0 2.Qe2 Qd6 3.0-0
>  ³  (-0.34)   Depth: 4/10   00:00:00  1kN
>1...0-0 2.Qe2 Qd6 3.f4 Ng6
>  ³  (-0.38)   Depth: 5/13   00:00:00  4kN
>1...0-0 2.Qe2 Qd6 3.f4 Ng6 4.c3
>  =  (-0.25)   Depth: 6/17   00:00:00  22kN
>1...0-0 2.Qe2 Qd6 3.0-0 Bc5 4.Re1 Bd4
>  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 7/16   00:00:00  47kN
>1...0-0 2.Qe2 Qd6 3.0-0 Rfd8 4.Re1 Ng6
>  =  (-0.09)   Depth: 8/20   00:00:00  162kN
>1...0-0 2.Qe2 Qc7 3.0-0 Rfd8 4.Re1 Ng6 5.a3 Bc5
>  =  (-0.03)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:00  543kN
>1...0-0 2.Qe2 Ng6 3.0-0 Qd7 4.a3 Bd6 5.Re1 Rfd8 6.Ne4
>  =  (0.06)   Depth: 10/24   00:00:01  1382kN
>1...0-0 2.Qe2 Ng6 3.0-0 Re8 4.Re1 Qd7 5.a3 Bc5
>  =  (0.09)   Depth: 11/31   00:00:03  3361kN
>1...0-0 2.Qe2 Ng6 3.0-0 Qd7 4.Ne4 Nxe4 5.dxe4 Qe7 6.Rd1
>  =  (0.12)   Depth: 12/26   00:00:08  9091kN
>1...0-0 2.Qe2 Ng6 3.0-0 Qd7 4.Ne4 Nd5 5.a3 Be7 6.Be3
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 13/27   00:00:17  18232kN
>1...Qc7!
>  =  (0.12)   Depth: 13/32   00:00:30  32206kN
>1...Qc7! 2.Qe2 0-0-0 3.0-0 h5 4.Re1 Ng6
>  =  (0.09)   Depth: 13/34   00:00:37  38616kN
>1...Qc7 2.d4 Ng6 3.c3 Be7 4.h4 h6 5.h5 Nf8 6.Qa4
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 14/36   00:00:59  60858kN
>1...h5!
>  =  (0.12)   Depth: 14/37   00:01:27  91411kN
>1...h5 2.Qe2 Qc7 3.c3 Be7 4.Ne4 0-0-0 5.d4 Ng6 6.h4
>  =  (0.12)   Depth: 15/38   00:02:45  172199kN
>1...h5 2.0-0 h4 3.g4 Bd6 4.f4 Ng6 5.Nc4 0-0 6.f5
>  =  (0.19)   Depth: 16/41   00:07:06  454725kN
>
>
>
>Analysis by Crafty 17.14:
>
>1...Qc7 2.a3 Bd6 3.d4 Ng6 4.0-0 0-0-0 5.Qe2 Kb8 6.Qc4
>  ²  (0.28)   Depth: 10/28   00:00:14  10298kN
>1...Qc7 2.0-0 h5 3.d4 Ng6 4.c3 Bd6 5.Nc4 h4 6.Nxd6+ Qxd6 7.Qe1 0-0-0
>  =  (0.25)   Depth: 11/28   00:00:51  36156kN
>1...Qc7 2.a3 Bd6 3.0-0 h5 4.d4 Ng6 5.c4 0-0-0 6.c5 Be7 7.Nc4
>  ²  (0.31)   Depth: 12/32   00:02:22  100182kN
>1...h5 2.Qe2 Qc7 3.a3 Bd6 4.d4 Ng6 5.Ne4 0-0-0 6.0-0 Nxe4 7.Bxe4 Qd7
>  ²  (0.26)   Depth: 12/32   00:03:46  157662kN
>1...h5 2.Qe2 Qc7 3.a3 Bd6 4.Ne4 Nxe4 5.Qxe4 h4 6.gxh4 0-0-0 7.Be3 Qa5+ 8.b4 Qa4
>  =  (0.23)   Depth: 13/32   00:06:59  289610kN
>
>Fritz 6
>
>1...Bd6 2.0-0 Qb6 3.c3 Qa6 4.Ne4 0-0-0 5.Nxf6 gxf6 6.d4
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 13/35   00:00:38  40144kN
>1...Qc7!
>  =  (0.12)   Depth: 13/37   00:01:01  64647kN
>1...Qc7 2.d4 Ng6 3.c3 Be7 4.h4 h5 5.0-0
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 14/40   00:01:26  89989kN
>1...h5!
>  =  (0.12)   Depth: 14/40   00:03:08  198405kN
>1...h5 2.Qe2 Qc7 3.c3 Be7 4.d4 Ng6 5.h4 0-0-0 6.0-0
>  =  (0.12)   Depth: 15/43   00:05:27  343314kN
>kburcham

Your chances of finding the truth are reasonable after 23-30 plies, so does
anyone have the patience to run the analysis a bit longer?

I don't see the point of running analysis less than 20 plies deep to draw a
conclusion--especially in this type of position.




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