Author: Don Dailey
Date: 08:55:27 07/16/98
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On July 16, 1998 at 11:01:30, Guido Schimmels wrote:
>
>On July 16, 1998 at 09:59:29, Don Dailey wrote:
>
>>On July 16, 1998 at 08:58:05, Guido Schimmels wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>On July 15, 1998 at 11:08:34, Danniel Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>People seem to want to discuss whether or not a computer program is a GM or not.
>>>>
>>>>The FIDE list does not contain any computers.
>>>>
>>>>Computers are not FIDE GM's.
>>>>
>>>>Hence, if we want to talk about computers being GM's or not, we need some new
>>>>kind of definition.
>>>>
>>>>What _exactly_ is a computer GM?
>>>>
>>>>Being able to beat one seems pretty irrelevant to me. I'll bet once in a while
>>>>GM's lose to their kids because they are not paying attention or whatever.
>>>>
>>>>If we do not know what we are discussing, then the discussion seems rather
>>>>pointless.
>>>
>>>I don't see why we need a special definition for computer GM.
>>>Here is an extract of "International Title Regulations of FIDE":
>>>
>>>1.1 Grandmaster:
>>> Obtained by achieving any of the following:
>>>
>>>1.11 (GA '93) Two or more GM results (TPR > 2600 ELO)
>>> in events covering at least 24 games
>>> (30 games without a round robin or Olympiad)
>>> and a rating of at least 2500 in the FIDE Rating List current
>>> at the time the FIDE Congress considers the application,
>>> or within seven years of the first title result being achieved.
>>>
>>>10.1 GM results in tournaments with fewer than three individual GMs are
>>> not valid.
>>>
>>>So a computer is a GM, when it performs consistantly at 2500 Elo level and
>>>achieves TPRs >2600 once in a while.
>>>Probably not true for any of today's micros.
>>>
>>>- Guido -
>>
>>I don't know how to read this Guido. It sounds like you do not have
>>to maintain the 2500 rating as long as you get two good results within
>>seven years of each other. Otherwise you have to have a 2500 ELO level
>>rating at the time you get the last norm.
>>
>>It's not important to our discussion, but I am interested in the
>>correct interpretation of this.
>>
>>Any GM's listening?
>>
>>- Don
>
>As I understand,
>within a 7-year period you need to:
>1) get 2 norms (TPR > 2600)
>and
>2) be ratet >= 2500 in the FIDE Rating List at least *one* time.
>
>So if you haven't yet met condition 2) at the time of your second norm,
>you will be GM as soon as you achieve this second goal (if in time).
>
>- Guido -
Your interpretation sounds reasonable and it's what I would believe
except for the following lines:
1.1 Grandmaster:
Obtained by achieving any of the following:
The only 2 things mentioned are separated by a comma and in
section 1.11 I will separate them with an extra couple of lines:
1.11 (GA '93) Two or more GM results (TPR > 2600 ELO)
in events covering at least 24 games
(30 games without a round robin or Olympiad)
and a rating of at least 2500 in the FIDE Rating List current
at the time the FIDE Congress considers the application,
or
within seven years of the first title result being achieved.
I'm still inclined to believe your interpretation is correct but
this certainly makes it unclear to me! If it said AND within seven
years I would be certain you were right.
- Don
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