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Subject: Re: Why?

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 05:55:52 04/15/02

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On April 15, 2002 at 04:28:35, Tanya Deborah wrote:

>On April 15, 2002 at 03:39:35, Slater Wold wrote:
>
>>On April 15, 2002 at 03:35:07, Slater Wold wrote:
>>
>>>[D]2r4k/1p3p1p/1pn2q2/1N1p1p2/8/PP2Q2P/5PP1/2R3K1 w - - 0 26
>>>
>>>Why in this position is it not perfectly clear that taking the pawn (Qxb6) is
>>>the obvious move?  Instead I've noticed several programs wanting Qf4, a4, and
>>>other moves that to me, just seem to waste time.
>>>
>>>I've spoken with one GM, (2550ish) and he agreed that Qxb6 is the only move that
>>>he would emphasize on.  (It was a quick discussion, no detail.)
>>>
>>>This is move 26 of game one in the first match between Deep Blue and Kasparov.
>>>Deep Blue played Qxb6 and later won the game.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>**I've tested only a few "top commercial" programs.  Most want Qf4, a4 and
>>>others at first, and around 1:30 want Qxb6.  My question was, why isn't this
>>>obvious from the start?**
>>
>>
>>Actually, I found a program that's it IS pretty obvious to; Crafty 17.7!
>>
>
>Hello Slater!  I see that you like so much 17.7 version of Crafty. Is this
>version the strongest for you, or it has something special?

Not exactly.  It's just an older version with a more "simple" eval.

I usually use it to see just how "obvious" a move is.  It's no TSCP, yet a lot
simplier than say, Fritz 7, or even Fritz 6 for that matter.


BTW:  18.12 (with the fixed mask) is the strongest version IMO.

>
>>              clearing hash tables
>>              time surplus   0.00  time limit 1:00 (1:00)
>>         nss  depth   time  score   variation (1)
>>                7     0.23   0.60   1. Qxb6 Qe7 2. Qc5 Qxc5 3. Rxc5 Rd8
>>                                    4. Nc7 Ne7
>>                7->   0.30   0.60   1. Qxb6 Qe7 2. Qc5 Qxc5 3. Rxc5 Rd8
>>                                    4. Nc7 Ne7
>>                8     0.52   0.70   1. Qxb6 Qe7 2. Qc5 Qxc5 3. Rxc5 Rd8
>>                                    4. Nc7 Ne7 5. Kh2
>>                8->   0.67   0.70   1. Qxb6 Qe7 2. Qc5 Qxc5 3. Rxc5 Rd8
>>                                    4. Nc7 Ne7 5. Kh2
>>                9     2.91   0.49   1. Qxb6 Rg8 2. Qc5 Qg5 3. g3 f4 4.
>>                                    Nd6 Ne5 5. Qxd5 <HT>
>>                9->   3.37   0.49   1. Qxb6 Rg8 2. Qc5 Qg5 3. g3 f4 4.
>>                                    Nd6 Ne5 5. Qxd5 <HT>
>>               10     4.90   0.49   1. Qxb6 Rg8 2. Qc5 Qg5 3. g3 f4 4.
>>                                    Nd6 Ne5 5. Qxd5 fxg3
>>               10->   8.60   0.49   1. Qxb6 Rg8 2. Qc5 Qg5 3. g3 f4 4.
>>                                    Nd6 Ne5 5. Qxd5 fxg3
>>               11    13.49   0.45   1. Qxb6 Rg8 2. Qc5 f4 3. Nd6 f3 4.
>>                                    g3 Nd4 5. Re1 Rxg3+ 6. fxg3 f2+ 7.
>>                                    Kf1 fxe1=Q+ 8. Kxe1
>>               11->  21.64   0.45   1. Qxb6 Rg8 2. Qc5 f4 3. Nd6 f3 4.
>>                                    g3 Nd4 5. Re1 Rxg3+ 6. fxg3 f2+ 7.
>>                                    Kf1 fxe1=Q+ 8. Kxe1
>>               12    38.86   0.35   1. Qxb6 Rg8 2. Qe3 f4 3. Qf3 Qe5 4.
>>                                    Rc5 Rd8 5. Kh2 Rd7 6. Kg1 <HT>
>>              time=1:00  cpu=99%  mat=-1  n=46245754  fh=91%  nps=766165
>>              ext-> checks=1900898 recaps=106933 pawns=15636 1rep=257959 thrt:14
>>995
>>              predicted=0  nodes=46245754  evals=9694671
>>              endgame tablebase-> probes done=0  successful=0
>>              hashing-> trans/ref=30%  pawn=99%  used=88%
>>
>>
>>However, I cannot see the first 6 ply.



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