Author: Uri Blass
Date: 05:59:31 04/15/02
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On April 15, 2002 at 08:24:08, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>On April 14, 2002 at 16:52:54, Thomas Lagershausen wrote:
>
>>On April 14, 2002 at 16:02:19, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:
>>
>>>On April 14, 2002 at 11:51:15, Thomas Lagershausen wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Nunn obviously knows nothing from computerchess here, already
>>>
>>>Are you sure that this statement by Vincent is wrong, Thomas ?
>>>I guess, Nunn knows how to use chess databases and programs, but I wouldn't bet
>>>that he has deeper knowledge about the structure of a chess engine.
>>>
>>>IMHO, the above statement by Vincent is not an insult, just a claim.
>>>
>>>Uli
>>
>>I have read a lot of thoughts of computerchess written by John Nunn himself and
>>i can say he knows very well what computer can do in chess and what not.Do you
>>remember he had played in the aegon-tournament?
>>
>>Thomas
>
>In the south of America, they recently discovered a few indians who
>never ever before had seen whites or airplanes. They actually discovered
>them by airplane because they were throwing javelins to the 'flying birds'.
>
>When talking about Nunn and computerchess then the difference between
>Nunn and the indians is that Nunn has learned that throwing javelins to
>flying birds isn't working. He's by the way still calling them flying
>birds, because he doesn't know a single scientific term which we use
>daily here on CCC.
>
>Proving something about 1+1 being 2 doesn't mean he knows something
>from algorithms in computer science.
>
>In fact i would be amazed if he knows the difference between Junior and Fritz.
>
>In Aegon he sure didn't know it. Against all programs he used the same
>method to fight them. Not exactly 'knowledgeable'.
I will not be surprised if he knows today more than he knew many years ago.
I simply do not know enough to decide how much he knows.
Sincethen his opinions
>and methods posted have not changed a single bit.
>
>O yes. He has endgame tablebases installed now and he knows how to start
>his computer with it. Directly resulting in an article about them.
>
>I have been at all world champs computerchess and many important computer
>chess tournaments. I have not seen Nunn at a single one of them.
>
>I sure have seen many new young talented programmers start their own
>engine. Even Uri Blass started one! (how're things going Uri?)
Not bad
I did not improve it in the last days because I prefer to test it in order to
see if the change between 6 and 6.02 is an improvement.
I believe that it is an improvement mainly in long time control but I have not
enough evidence to be sure.
It beated monarch in the first game of the 5th division inspite of the fact that
it does not use hash tables,null move pruning or book or pondering.
It has better evaluation than monarch inspite of the fact that it has almost no
evaluation.
I am not sure if it is going to promote to the 4th division but I believe that
it has good chances because monarch is one of the programs that is supposed to
fight for the right to play there.
Here is the game
[Event "WBEC3_5thDivision"]
[Site "DUAL-P3-933"]
[Date "2002.04.14"]
[Round "1"]
[Number "393"]
[White "Monarch 2002 04"]
[Black "Movei 0.06.02"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "40/2400"]
1. d4 d5 2. c3 e6 3. Nf3 Bd6 4. Bg5 f6 5. Bh4 g5 6. Bg3 Bxg3 7. hxg3 Nc6 8.
e3 g4 9. Nh4 Nh6 10. Nf3 Nf7 11. Nfd2 e5 12. Be2 f5 13. b4 a6 14. f4 exd4
15. exd4 Qe7 16. O-O Qe3+ 17. Kh2 O-O 18. Qe1 Bd7 19. Bd1 Rae8 20. Qxe3
Rxe3 21. Bb3 Ne7 22. Rc1 Re2 23. c4 Bc6 24. Kh1 Rd8 25. c5 Bb5 26. Bc2 Nh6
27. a3 Nc6 28. Nb3 Re3 29. Kh2 Bd3 30. Bd1 Nf7 31. Nc3 Kf8 32. Na5 Nxd4 33.
Nxb7 Rde8 34. Na5 R8e6 35. Ba4 Bc2 36. Bxc2 Rh6+ 37. Kg1 Rxc3 38. Bd1 Rxg3
39. Bc2 Re3 40. Bxf5 Nxf5 41. Re1 Rc3 42. Rec1 Rxc1+ 43. Rxc1 Re6 44. Nb7
g3 45. c6 Ke7 46. Nc5 Rxc6 47. Re1+ Kf6 48. Kf1 N7d6 49. Re6+ Kg7 50. Ke1
Nh4 51. Ke2 Ng6 52. Kf3 Kf7 53. f5 Nh4+ 54. Kg4 Nxg2 55. Re2 Nxf5 56. Rxg2
Ne3+ 57. Kf3 Nxg2 58. Kxg2 Rg6 59. Nd3 Kf6 60. Nf4 Rg5 61. Ne2 Ke5 62. Ng1
Rg6 63. Ne2 d4 64. Nc1 Rc6 65. Nd3+ Ke4 66. Ne1 Rc1 67. Nf3 Rc2+ 68. Kxg3
Rc3 69. Kf2 Rxf3+ 70. Ke2 d3+ 71. Kd2 Rf2+ 72. Kc3 Rc2+ 73. Kb3 Kd4 74. b5
axb5 75. Kb4 d2 76. Ka5 d1=Q 77. Ka6 Qf3 78. Ka7 Qxa3+ 79. Kb7 Qh3 80. Kb8
b4 81. Kb7 b3 82. Kb8 b2 83. Ka7 b1=Q 84. Ka6 Ra2#
{Black Mates} 0-1
>
>Proficiat to all of them. I know how hard it is to make one.
>
>Nunn of course never has made his own thing. He'll never manage in
>fact. He's a chessplayer. Not a computerchess expert.
I guess that he is not interested in doing one so I do not expect him to do it.
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