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Subject: Re: Smirin vs. Shredder - a question

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 09:29:47 04/15/02

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On April 15, 2002 at 12:24:08, Mark Young wrote:

>On April 15, 2002 at 11:52:41, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 15, 2002 at 08:56:27, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>>
>>>On April 15, 2002 at 08:17:04, Claudio A. Amorim wrote:
>>>
>>>>So, are these the programs supposed to play at a 2700 level? Sure, they win many
>>>>games against strong humans, but... Where is their chess competency? Shredder´s
>>>>errors against Smirin were so elementary that they would not fit well in a
>>>>strong club player´s blitz game.
>>>
>>>Let's not go crazy over ONE game! we need to ask these questions after the
>>>match, also you can not say "So, are these the programs supposed to play at a
>>>2700 level?" when this is a games based on one programs performance!
>>>Other than that i agree, it was not pretty...
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>Jonas
>>
>>
>>I think the thing that troubles _some_ of us greatly is this question:
>>
>>"Can you name any GM that would play a single game that looks as bad as
>> that one?"
>>
>>Of course, questions like "OK, how can a program play like a 2600+ in one game
>> then play like a 1900- in another game?"  and that _is_ a good question.  But
>>as the old proverb goes, "the chain is only as strong as its weakest link."  IE
>>Smirin could lose the remainder of the games (not likely of course) and it would
>>_still_ be difficult to call this a "GM performance" after a game like that...
>>
>>GMs do have bad days.  But not _that_ bad.  It perfectly highlighted just how
>>weakly programs evaluate king-safety.  _all_ programs...
>
>So far this is a Shredder problem, if the other programs play as badly then I
>will agree with you "Huston we have a problem."

Agreed...


>
>We can not lable all programs the same, I have seen this type of play before
>from Shredder that is why I never considered Shredder the best program, no
>matter how many WC titles it has won.


No idea there.  Winning a WMCCC/WCCC event is different.  Computers don't attack
worth a flip.  So a program with relatively weak king-safety won't have to
defend, and it it plays fine otherwise, it can win.

But against humans, things change.  Which is why I believe that playing on ICC
is a better measure of improvement than all this comp vs comp stuff on the SSDF
and so forth.  Humans play _different_.



>
>Shredder was also the only program to lose to Gluko.



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