Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 09:29:47 04/15/02
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On April 15, 2002 at 12:24:08, Mark Young wrote: >On April 15, 2002 at 11:52:41, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On April 15, 2002 at 08:56:27, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >> >>>On April 15, 2002 at 08:17:04, Claudio A. Amorim wrote: >>> >>>>So, are these the programs supposed to play at a 2700 level? Sure, they win many >>>>games against strong humans, but... Where is their chess competency? Shredder´s >>>>errors against Smirin were so elementary that they would not fit well in a >>>>strong club player´s blitz game. >>> >>>Let's not go crazy over ONE game! we need to ask these questions after the >>>match, also you can not say "So, are these the programs supposed to play at a >>>2700 level?" when this is a games based on one programs performance! >>>Other than that i agree, it was not pretty... >>> >>>Regards >>>Jonas >> >> >>I think the thing that troubles _some_ of us greatly is this question: >> >>"Can you name any GM that would play a single game that looks as bad as >> that one?" >> >>Of course, questions like "OK, how can a program play like a 2600+ in one game >> then play like a 1900- in another game?" and that _is_ a good question. But >>as the old proverb goes, "the chain is only as strong as its weakest link." IE >>Smirin could lose the remainder of the games (not likely of course) and it would >>_still_ be difficult to call this a "GM performance" after a game like that... >> >>GMs do have bad days. But not _that_ bad. It perfectly highlighted just how >>weakly programs evaluate king-safety. _all_ programs... > >So far this is a Shredder problem, if the other programs play as badly then I >will agree with you "Huston we have a problem." Agreed... > >We can not lable all programs the same, I have seen this type of play before >from Shredder that is why I never considered Shredder the best program, no >matter how many WC titles it has won. No idea there. Winning a WMCCC/WCCC event is different. Computers don't attack worth a flip. So a program with relatively weak king-safety won't have to defend, and it it plays fine otherwise, it can win. But against humans, things change. Which is why I believe that playing on ICC is a better measure of improvement than all this comp vs comp stuff on the SSDF and so forth. Humans play _different_. > >Shredder was also the only program to lose to Gluko.
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