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Subject: Re: Smirin vs. Shredder - a question

Author: Mark Young

Date: 10:03:42 04/15/02

On April 15, 2002 at 12:56:21, Chris Carson wrote:

>On April 15, 2002 at 12:52:33, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On April 15, 2002 at 12:49:59, Chris Carson wrote:
>>
>>>On April 15, 2002 at 11:52:41, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 15, 2002 at 08:56:27, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 15, 2002 at 08:17:04, Claudio A. Amorim wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>So, are these the programs supposed to play at a 2700 level? Sure, they win many
>>>>>>games against strong humans, but... Where is their chess competency? Shredder´s
>>>>>>errors against Smirin were so elementary that they would not fit well in a
>>>>>>strong club player´s blitz game.
>>>>>
>>>>>Let's not go crazy over ONE game! we need to ask these questions after the
>>>>>match, also you can not say "So, are these the programs supposed to play at a
>>>>>2700 level?" when this is a games based on one programs performance!
>>>>>Other than that i agree, it was not pretty...
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards
>>>>>Jonas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I think the thing that troubles _some_ of us greatly is this question:
>>>>
>>>>"Can you name any GM that would play a single game that looks as bad as
>>>> that one?"
>>>
>>>Kasparov (2800+) vs DBII the final game.
>>
>>Yes, that one must be the best of all. Really a awful game by the best GM of our
>>age.
>
>Guess GK is not a GM, any 1200 player would see that.

Yes, that is why I don't agree with Bob and others, you can not take a snap shot
of a players play, computer or human and make a judgement. Rating is how we
measure, and should be the only measure. Rating is based on all wins, losses,
and draws against all players.

>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Of course, questions like "OK, how can a program play like a 2600+ in one game
>>>> then play like a 1900- in another game?"  and that _is_ a good question.  But
>>>>as the old proverb goes, "the chain is only as strong as its weakest link."  IE
>>>>Smirin could lose the remainder of the games (not likely of course) and it would
>>>>_still_ be difficult to call this a "GM performance" after a game like that...
>>>>
>>>>GMs do have bad days.  But not _that_ bad.  It perfectly highlighted just how
>>>>weakly programs evaluate king-safety.  _all_ programs...

Re: Smirin vs. Shredder - a question Robert Hyatt 10:28:45 04/15/02
- Re: Smirin vs. Shredder - a question Mark Young 10:32:46 04/15/02
Re: Smirin vs. Shredder - a question Chris Carson 10:20:19 04/15/02
- Re: Smirin vs. Shredder - a question Mark Young 10:26:08 04/15/02
  - Re: Smirin vs. Shredder - a question Roy Eassa 10:51:36 04/15/02
    - Re: Smirin vs. Shredder - a question Joe McCarro 11:41:59 04/15/02
      - Re: Smirin vs. Shredder - a question Terry McCracken 11:55:06 04/15/02
        
        Re: Smirin vs. Shredder - a question Mark Young 12:00:38 04/15/02
        
        Re: Smirin vs. Shredder - a question Terry McCracken 12:09:46 04/15/02
        
        Re: Smirin vs. Shredder - a question Otello Gnaramori 14:21:39 04/15/02
        
        Re: Smirin vs. Shredder - a question Terry McCracken 15:18:17 04/15/02
        
        Re: Smirin vs. Shredder - a question Vine Smith 21:55:45 04/15/02
        
        Re: Smirin vs. Shredder - a question Roy Eassa 07:36:32 04/16/02

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