Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 10:30:07 04/15/02
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On April 15, 2002 at 13:23:54, Roy Eassa wrote: >On April 15, 2002 at 12:40:09, Mark Young wrote: > >>On April 15, 2002 at 11:52:41, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>> >>>"Can you name any GM that would play a single game that looks as bad as >>> that one?" >> >>I can off the top of my head...and I'm sure I can find them of just about any GM >>play. >> >>But here is one GM for you since that all you asked for. >> >>GM Vassily Ivanchuk!!! >> >>[Event "FIDE WCh KO Final"] >>[Site "Moscow RUS"] >>[Date "2002.01.16"] >>[Round "7.1"] >>[White "Ponomariov,R"] >>[Black "Ivanchuk,V"] >>[Result "1-0"] >>[WhiteElo "2727"] >>[BlackElo "2717"] >>[EventDate "2002.01.16"] >>[ECO "C11"] >> >>1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 dxe4 5. Nxe4 Be7 6. Bxf6 Bxf6 7. Nf3 >>O-O 8. Qd2 Be7 9. O-O-O Qd5 10. Nc3 Qa5 11. a3 Nd7 12. Kb1 Qb6 13. Qe3 Nf6 >>14. Ne5 Rd8 15. Bc4 Bd7 16. Bb3 Be8 17. Rhe1 Bf8 18. g4 Nd5 19. Qf3 c6 20. >>Ne4 Qc7 21. c4 Ne7 22. Ng5 Nc8 23. c5 1-0 > > >I don't think Ivanchuk showed quite the same positional cluelessness in this >game as Shredder showed against Smirin. > >But anyway, my contention is NOT that "Every GM is always better than >computers." My contention is this: > >"Many GMs can, and SOME probably will (within 5 or 10 years), acquire the skills >and techniques necessary to consistently outscore the top PC chess programs." > >I frequently read posts that state that in the last couple years GMs have lost >more games than they have won against top PCs. That may be true, but it is >COMPLETELY UNRELATED to the contention that: > >"Many GMs can, and SOME probably will (within 5 or 10 years), acquire the skills >and techniques necessary to consistently outscore the top PC chess programs." > >The contention could be wrong. But I don't think one should completely CLOSE >one's mind to the possibility that it may be accurate. There are concrete >reasons to believe that future results may differ from past results. And, of >course, your mileage may vary. :-) Also there is a huge difference between (a) making a tactical error and losing a game and (b) not understanding the position at all until it is way too late to do anything about it.
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