Author: Mark Young
Date: 10:32:46 04/15/02
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On April 15, 2002 at 13:28:45, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On April 15, 2002 at 13:03:42, Mark Young wrote: > >>On April 15, 2002 at 12:56:21, Chris Carson wrote: >> >>>On April 15, 2002 at 12:52:33, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On April 15, 2002 at 12:49:59, Chris Carson wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 15, 2002 at 11:52:41, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 15, 2002 at 08:56:27, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 15, 2002 at 08:17:04, Claudio A. Amorim wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So, are these the programs supposed to play at a 2700 level? Sure, they win many >>>>>>>>games against strong humans, but... Where is their chess competency? Shredder´s >>>>>>>>errors against Smirin were so elementary that they would not fit well in a >>>>>>>>strong club player´s blitz game. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Let's not go crazy over ONE game! we need to ask these questions after the >>>>>>>match, also you can not say "So, are these the programs supposed to play at a >>>>>>>2700 level?" when this is a games based on one programs performance! >>>>>>>Other than that i agree, it was not pretty... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards >>>>>>>Jonas >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I think the thing that troubles _some_ of us greatly is this question: >>>>>> >>>>>>"Can you name any GM that would play a single game that looks as bad as >>>>>> that one?" >>>>> >>>>>Kasparov (2800+) vs DBII the final game. >>>> >>>>Yes, that one must be the best of all. Really a awful game by the best GM of our >>>>age. >>> >>>Guess GK is not a GM, any 1200 player would see that. >> >>Yes, that is why I don't agree with Bob and others, you can not take a snap shot >>of a players play, computer or human and make a judgement. Rating is how we >>measure, and should be the only measure. Rating is based on all wins, losses, >>and draws against all players. >> > > > >You don't understand the basic difference between "botching an opening from >memory" and "totally not understanding king safety"??? Kasparov will probably >_never_ botch that opening move order again. But computers will continue to >botch king safety evaluations for a _long_ time. Just as they _have_ for a >long time already... That is not what you asked for, but in my example with Ivanchuk he showed bad king safety, bad positional understanding, and just about everthing else. > > > >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Of course, questions like "OK, how can a program play like a 2600+ in one game >>>>>> then play like a 1900- in another game?" and that _is_ a good question. But >>>>>>as the old proverb goes, "the chain is only as strong as its weakest link." IE >>>>>>Smirin could lose the remainder of the games (not likely of course) and it would >>>>>>_still_ be difficult to call this a "GM performance" after a game like that... >>>>>> >>>>>>GMs do have bad days. But not _that_ bad. It perfectly highlighted just how >>>>>>weakly programs evaluate king-safety. _all_ programs...
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