Author: Roy Eassa
Date: 10:38:56 04/15/02
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On April 15, 2002 at 13:30:07, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On April 15, 2002 at 13:23:54, Roy Eassa wrote: > >>On April 15, 2002 at 12:40:09, Mark Young wrote: >> >>>On April 15, 2002 at 11:52:41, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>> >>>>"Can you name any GM that would play a single game that looks as bad as >>>> that one?" >>> >>>I can off the top of my head...and I'm sure I can find them of just about any GM >>>play. >>> >>>But here is one GM for you since that all you asked for. >>> >>>GM Vassily Ivanchuk!!! >>> >>>[Event "FIDE WCh KO Final"] >>>[Site "Moscow RUS"] >>>[Date "2002.01.16"] >>>[Round "7.1"] >>>[White "Ponomariov,R"] >>>[Black "Ivanchuk,V"] >>>[Result "1-0"] >>>[WhiteElo "2727"] >>>[BlackElo "2717"] >>>[EventDate "2002.01.16"] >>>[ECO "C11"] >>> >>>1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 dxe4 5. Nxe4 Be7 6. Bxf6 Bxf6 7. Nf3 >>>O-O 8. Qd2 Be7 9. O-O-O Qd5 10. Nc3 Qa5 11. a3 Nd7 12. Kb1 Qb6 13. Qe3 Nf6 >>>14. Ne5 Rd8 15. Bc4 Bd7 16. Bb3 Be8 17. Rhe1 Bf8 18. g4 Nd5 19. Qf3 c6 20. >>>Ne4 Qc7 21. c4 Ne7 22. Ng5 Nc8 23. c5 1-0 >> >> >>I don't think Ivanchuk showed quite the same positional cluelessness in this >>game as Shredder showed against Smirin. >> >>But anyway, my contention is NOT that "Every GM is always better than >>computers." My contention is this: >> >>"Many GMs can, and SOME probably will (within 5 or 10 years), acquire the skills >>and techniques necessary to consistently outscore the top PC chess programs." >> >>I frequently read posts that state that in the last couple years GMs have lost >>more games than they have won against top PCs. That may be true, but it is >>COMPLETELY UNRELATED to the contention that: >> >>"Many GMs can, and SOME probably will (within 5 or 10 years), acquire the skills >>and techniques necessary to consistently outscore the top PC chess programs." >> >>The contention could be wrong. But I don't think one should completely CLOSE >>one's mind to the possibility that it may be accurate. There are concrete >>reasons to believe that future results may differ from past results. And, of >>course, your mileage may vary. :-) > >Also there is a huge difference between (a) making a tactical error and losing >a game and (b) not understanding the position at all until it is way too late >to do anything about it. That's pretty much what I tried to say, except I am not strong enough to know if Ivanchuk lost only because of a tactical error. I was giving Mark the benefit of the doubt that Ivanchuk was outplayed positionally -- but not to the degree that Shredder was!
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