Author: Mark Young
Date: 11:40:49 04/15/02
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On April 15, 2002 at 13:41:58, Roy Eassa wrote: >On April 15, 2002 at 13:29:56, Mark Young wrote: > >>On April 15, 2002 at 13:27:06, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On April 15, 2002 at 12:49:59, Chris Carson wrote: >>> >>>>On April 15, 2002 at 11:52:41, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 15, 2002 at 08:56:27, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 15, 2002 at 08:17:04, Claudio A. Amorim wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>So, are these the programs supposed to play at a 2700 level? Sure, they win many >>>>>>>games against strong humans, but... Where is their chess competency? Shredder´s >>>>>>>errors against Smirin were so elementary that they would not fit well in a >>>>>>>strong club player´s blitz game. >>>>>> >>>>>>Let's not go crazy over ONE game! we need to ask these questions after the >>>>>>match, also you can not say "So, are these the programs supposed to play at a >>>>>>2700 level?" when this is a games based on one programs performance! >>>>>>Other than that i agree, it was not pretty... >>>>>> >>>>>>Regards >>>>>>Jonas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I think the thing that troubles _some_ of us greatly is this question: >>>>> >>>>>"Can you name any GM that would play a single game that looks as bad as >>>>> that one?" >>>> >>>>Kasparov (2800+) vs DBII the final game. >>> >>> >>>Wasn't even close. that game had nothing to do with not understanding >>>king safety or anything else. It was just a tactical error resulting from >>>(supposedly) playing the moves in the wrong order. >> > >>Ivanchuk showed bad "KING SAFETY" in his loss I showed. > > >Agreed, Ivanchuk was outplayed positionally in that game (not that I'm strong >enough to fully comprehend of course). But I don't think the DEGREE to which he >was outplayed was even close. Let any computer program look at the game....it will show you how badly GM Ivanchuk was out played!! or you can let other GM's tell you at Kasparov.com. > > > >> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Of course, questions like "OK, how can a program play like a 2600+ in one game >>>>> then play like a 1900- in another game?" and that _is_ a good question. But >>>>>as the old proverb goes, "the chain is only as strong as its weakest link." IE >>>>>Smirin could lose the remainder of the games (not likely of course) and it would >>>>>_still_ be difficult to call this a "GM performance" after a game like that... >>>>> >>>>>GMs do have bad days. But not _that_ bad. It perfectly highlighted just how >>>>>weakly programs evaluate king-safety. _all_ programs...
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