Author: Chris Carson
Date: 12:23:24 04/16/02
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On April 16, 2002 at 13:48:19, Mark Young wrote: >On April 16, 2002 at 13:22:57, Chris Carson wrote: > >>On April 16, 2002 at 12:33:43, Mark Young wrote: >> >>>GM Smirin results will depend on how well he will be able to play with white. If >>>GM Smirin is able to play closed positions as in game 1 he may be able to win by >>>more. It is much harder to force a closed position with advantage with black. >>>The opening books of the programs is going to be key in this match. The deeper >>>and wider the book for the programs the better chance they will have in this >>>match. >>> >>>I see this match as a battle of openings, and it is one the programmers can win, >>>but a human like GM Smirin has the advantage. >>> >>>Tiger in my mind has the best chance of winning its 2 game match with GM Smirin. >>>It seems to be able to play well even if knocked out of theory early with a >>>closed position. Shredder seems helpless, Hiarcs is a unknown to me, Junior is a >>>question mark also. I have seen it play like Shredder in closed positions, but >>>the current version is an unknown. >>> >>>It will be interesting to compare the results of the games played past move 10 >>>while still in theory and those below that number. >> >>You could be right about Tiger, could win both games. Tiger is the strongest >>against humans, perhaps the extra day of preparation against Tiger will not >>help. >> >>I am still amazed that people claim the programs are low rated (although the >>number of people claiming this gets smaller), the combined TPR for the 16 games >>will be very strong. GM Smirin would need to win this match by two points just >>to bring the comps down to 2650 and some of the programs will be above that >>number and a couple below. This hw is not the fastes either, reinforcing that >>rating of 2700+ by top programs on fastest hw. > >To some people the computers are only as good as their last win or loss. If they >lose to a GM they are no longer GM level. If they draw it also shows they are >weak. Only wins seem to count in some minds. If they lose quickly it shows more >then if they lose a long game, as if it counts for more in the stats. I don't >understand peoples logic, because some here know better. I am only surprised by the few "experts" that should know better. I remember last year one or two of the "experts" were saying that all the GM's would crush the programs and that no GM would consider a program "GM strength". I do not read that argument anymore, I just read rantings about how weak "all the programs are" when one makes an early mistake in a game. Ofcourse the same "experts" discount that the vast majority of rated games are drawn or won by the top programs. > >What if Shredder loses both of its games, and all other programs play even or >one program plays +1. GM Smirin still wins the match, and all the programs will >be labeled losers. If one program fails, they all will fail. This logic has >already started. You are right. Here are the current standings for comps against GM Gulko and GM Smirin so far: Fritz +1 after 2 games TPR = 2805, Opp rating = 2605 Hiarcs +1 after 3 games TPR = 2770, Opp rating = 2638 Junior even after 2 games TPR = 2605, Opp rating = 2605 Shredder -1 after 3 games TPR = 2504, Opp rating = 2638 Chess Tiger has not played yet. 4 comp TPR for 10 games = 2664, Opp rating = 2624. Hiarcs has a tough time facing GM Smirin as black later. Both Junior and Tiger have white/black games remaining. Shredder has white and needs it. Fritz TPR will not change. Hiarcs will be over 2650. Shredder is the only program in real trouble right now, but could be over 2650 with a win or over 2550 with a draw. Junior should improve it's rating and I expect Tiger to do well. HW is dual 1Ghz for Fritz, Junior and Shredder and 2.2Ghz for Hiarcs and Tiger. I wonder how many human GM's would like to have this type of results against GM's Gulko and Smirin?
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