Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 10:25:14 04/18/02
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On April 18, 2002 at 01:34:24, Uri Blass wrote: >On April 17, 2002 at 23:19:13, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On April 17, 2002 at 01:30:44, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On April 16, 2002 at 22:39:31, Allen Lake wrote: >>> >>>>On April 16, 2002 at 12:52:53, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>> >>>>>My prediction is based on how well the Special opening book could have been >>>>>prepared. If Jeroen did a serious research on the winning percentage that GM >>>>>Smirin have with a certain opening and a loosing percentage as well, then the >>>>>rest should be fine for Chess Tiger. I also believe the the Deep Junior team >>>>>did a good research on what opening to use against GM Smirin. That at least will >>>>>get Deep Junior and Chess Tiger out of trouble in the first 12 moves. Also the >>>>>CB Opening book should NOT be Used since GM Smirin has access to them. >>>>> >>>> >>>>If it is okay (or even desirable) for the Tiger and Junior teams to use >>>>published games to prepare anti-Smirin opening books for this match, why isn't >>>>it okay for Mr. Smirin to use the Chessbase opening book to prepare anti-program opening lines for himself in this match? >>> >>>It is ok for smirin to use the chessbase opening book to prepare but it is also >>>okay for the programmers to change the opening book. >>> >>> Is it, perhaps, that his _superior_ >>>>knowledge of chess theory might provide him with the ability to find advantages >>>>in subtle positions which cannot be calculated away by a state-of-the-art >>>>computer program running on a modern computer system? If so, how is that an >>>>unfair advantage for Mr. Smirin? After all, he has probably devoted at least as >>>>many man-hours in developing that judgement as the programmers of the engines >>>>have devoted in creating their powerful search and evaluation algorithms. >>>> >>>>If giving a GM access to the opening book of a chess program is detrimental to >>>>the success of that program against the GM, doesn't that say enough about how >>>>far away the programmers are from actually equalling the ability of that GM? >>>> >>>>My two cents worth. >>> >>>If giving a GM access to the opening book of a program is fair then it is also >>>fair to give the humans who play against smirin all the information about the >>>opening preperations of smirin before he play against them. >>> >>>I think that chess is a game that nobody should know the opening preperation of >>>the opponent. >>> >>>You can also ask the following question: >>>If humans need unfair means like getting the opening book and the opening >>>preperation of the opponents(something that they never get against humans), >>>does not this say enough about how far GM's are from actually equalling the >>>ability of computers? >>> >>>Uri >> >> >>No. Human GM players prepart specific lines for their GM opponents _all_ _the_ >>_time_. Traps. Swindles. theoretical novelties. Etc... > >They have many opponents and I am sure that if they use more time to prepare >against smirin then smirin is going to get worse results. > >Uri Do you not think that _everybody_ prepares for Kasparov?
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