Author: Uri Blass
Date: 10:52:50 04/18/02
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On April 18, 2002 at 13:25:14, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On April 18, 2002 at 01:34:24, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On April 17, 2002 at 23:19:13, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On April 17, 2002 at 01:30:44, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On April 16, 2002 at 22:39:31, Allen Lake wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 16, 2002 at 12:52:53, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>My prediction is based on how well the Special opening book could have been >>>>>>prepared. If Jeroen did a serious research on the winning percentage that GM >>>>>>Smirin have with a certain opening and a loosing percentage as well, then the >>>>>>rest should be fine for Chess Tiger. I also believe the the Deep Junior team >>>>>>did a good research on what opening to use against GM Smirin. That at least will >>>>>>get Deep Junior and Chess Tiger out of trouble in the first 12 moves. Also the >>>>>>CB Opening book should NOT be Used since GM Smirin has access to them. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>If it is okay (or even desirable) for the Tiger and Junior teams to use >>>>>published games to prepare anti-Smirin opening books for this match, why isn't >>>>>it okay for Mr. Smirin to use the Chessbase opening book to prepare anti-program opening lines for himself in this match? >>>> >>>>It is ok for smirin to use the chessbase opening book to prepare but it is also >>>>okay for the programmers to change the opening book. >>>> >>>> Is it, perhaps, that his _superior_ >>>>>knowledge of chess theory might provide him with the ability to find advantages >>>>>in subtle positions which cannot be calculated away by a state-of-the-art >>>>>computer program running on a modern computer system? If so, how is that an >>>>>unfair advantage for Mr. Smirin? After all, he has probably devoted at least as >>>>>many man-hours in developing that judgement as the programmers of the engines >>>>>have devoted in creating their powerful search and evaluation algorithms. >>>>> >>>>>If giving a GM access to the opening book of a chess program is detrimental to >>>>>the success of that program against the GM, doesn't that say enough about how >>>>>far away the programmers are from actually equalling the ability of that GM? >>>>> >>>>>My two cents worth. >>>> >>>>If giving a GM access to the opening book of a program is fair then it is also >>>>fair to give the humans who play against smirin all the information about the >>>>opening preperations of smirin before he play against them. >>>> >>>>I think that chess is a game that nobody should know the opening preperation of >>>>the opponent. >>>> >>>>You can also ask the following question: >>>>If humans need unfair means like getting the opening book and the opening >>>>preperation of the opponents(something that they never get against humans), >>>>does not this say enough about how far GM's are from actually equalling the >>>>ability of computers? >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>No. Human GM players prepart specific lines for their GM opponents _all_ _the_ >>>_time_. Traps. Swindles. theoretical novelties. Etc... >> >>They have many opponents and I am sure that if they use more time to prepare >>against smirin then smirin is going to get worse results. >> >>Uri > > >Do you not think that _everybody_ prepares for Kasparov? If there is a tournament when there are many players then I do not think that everybody uses a lot of time to prepare for kasparov. If it is a match of kasparov against another player then kasparov also prepare. Uri
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