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Subject: Re: 'Just' a position

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 20:02:03 04/18/02

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On April 18, 2002 at 21:42:00, Slater Wold wrote:

>On April 18, 2002 at 21:41:00, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On April 18, 2002 at 19:41:40, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>
>>>[D]5N2/2n5/7k/5Pp1/ppr5/4B3/Pb4PP/3R2K1 w - g6 0 2
>>>
>>>White can play fxg6 e.p and *check*.
>>>
>>>My program has been broken on this kind of position, for, eh,
>>>forever probably.
>>>
>>>--
>>>GCP
>>
>>Chessmaster has no problem reading this from the FEN string -- but is it the
>>best move? CM likes Rd7 better (this is on a PIII-600):
>>
>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>0:00	1/3	2.15	1421		2.fxg6ep+ Kg7 3.Rf1 Nd5 4.Rf7+ Kg8
>>0:00	1/4	2.20	4612		2.fxg6ep+ Kg7 3.Rf1 Kh8 4.Rf4
>>0:00	2/5	1.94	21920		2.fxg6ep+ Kg7 3.Nd7 b3 4.Nb6 bxa2
>>					5.Nxc4 a1=Q 6.Rxa1 Bxa1
>>0:01	2/6	1.60	77361		2.fxg6ep+ Kg7 3.Nd7 a3 4.Rd6 b3
>>					5.axb3 a2
>>0:02	2/6	2.36	140511		2.Rd7 Bg7 3.Rd6+ Kh5 4.Rg6 Bh6
>>					5.Nh7 Nd5 6.Bxg5 Bxg5 7.Rxg5+ Kh6
>>0:05	3/7	1.57	404261		2.Rd7 Bg7 3.Rd6+ Kh5 4.Rg6 Bh6
>>					5.Nh7 Nd5 6.g3 Rg4 7.Nf6+ Nxf6
>>					8.Rxf6
>>0:09	3/7	2.16	749496		2.Rd6+ Kg7 3.Nd7 Nb5 4.Rg6+ Kf7
>>					5.Bxg5 Bd4+ 6.Kh1 Rc2
>>0:17	4/8	2.10	1542044		2.Rd6+ Kg7 3.Nd7 Nb5 4.Rb6 Bd4
>>					5.Bxd4+ Rxd4 6.f6+ Kh7 7.Rxb5 Rxd7
>>					8.Rxg5
>>1:15	5/9	1.69	6784439		2.Rd6+ Kg7 3.Nd7 Rc2 4.Nc5 Be5
>>					5.Rd7+ Kh6 6.Nd3 Rxa2 7.Nxe5 Rc2
>>1:45	5/9	2.64	9651621		2.Rd7 Bg7 3.Rd6+ Kh5 4.Rg6 Bd4
>>					5.Rxg5+ Kh6 6.Rg6+ Kh5 7.Bxd4 Rxd4
>>					8.Rg7 Ne8 9.Rd7 Rf4 10.Rh7+ Kg5
>>4:12	6/10	2.73	24186568	2.Rd7 Bg7 3.Rd6+ Kh5 4.Rg6 Bd4
>>					5.Rxg5+ Kh6 6.Rg6+ Kh5 7.Bxd4 Rxd4
>>					8.Rg7 Ne8 9.Rd7 Nd6 10.Ne6 Rd2
>>					11.Rh7+ Kg4
>>
>>jm
>
>
>So does Fritz 7.

Rd6+ also looks promising.  Since there does not seem to be a large separation
in value, I think a deep search would be needed to be sure which choice is best.

choose from book moves randomly (using weights.)
choose from 5 best moves.
book learning enabled
result learning enabled
position learning enabled
threshold set to 9 pawns.
5 piece tablebase files found
19045kb of RAM used for TB indices and decompression tables

Crafty v18.14

White(1): hash 300M
hash table memory = 192M bytes.
White(1): st 99
search time set to 99.00.
White(1): epdpfga \fxg6.epd
White(1): epdpfga \fxg6.epd t.out
PFGA: EPD record: 1
end-game phase
              clearing hash tables
              time surplus   0.00  time limit 1:39 (1:39)
         nss  depth   time  score   variation (1)
                6     0.39   2.45   1. Rd6+ Kg7 2. Nd7 g4 3. Nb6 Rc2 4.
                                    Nxa4
                6->   0.44   2.45   1. Rd6+ Kg7 2. Nd7 g4 3. Nb6 Rc2 4.
                                    Nxa4
                7     0.58   2.32   1. Rd6+ Kg7 2. Nd7 g4 3. Nb6 Rc2 4.
                                    Bh6+ Kf7 5. Nxa4
                7     0.75   2.34   1. fxg6+ Kg7 2. Rf1 Bf6 3. Bh6+ Kxh6
                                    4. Rxf6 Rc1+ 5. Rf1 Rxf1+ 6. Kxf1 Kg7
                7->   0.94   2.34   1. fxg6+ Kg7 2. Rf1 Bf6 3. Bh6+ Kxh6
                                    4. Rxf6 Rc1+ 5. Rf1 Rxf1+ 6. Kxf1 Kg7
                8     1.43   2.16   1. fxg6+ Kg7 2. Rf1 Bf6 3. Nd7 Nd5
                                    4. Rf5 Nxe3 5. Rxf6
                8     2.26   2.28   1. Rd6+ Kh5 2. Rg6 Bc1 3. Rxg5+ Kh6
                                    4. Rg6+ Kh5 5. Bb6 Nd5 6. Nd7 Rc2
                8     3.79   2.63   1. Rd7 Bg7 2. Rd6+ Kh5 3. Rg6 Bh6 4.
                                    Nh7 Nd5 5. Bxg5 Bxg5 6. Nxg5
                8->   4.04   2.63   1. Rd7 Bg7 2. Rd6+ Kh5 3. Rg6 Bh6 4.
                                    Nh7 Nd5 5. Bxg5 Bxg5 6. Nxg5
                9     4.87   2.30   1. Rd7 Bg7 2. Rd6+ Kh5 3. Rg6 Bh6 4.
                                    Nh7 Nd5 5. Bxg5 Bxg5 6. Nxg5 Nf6
                9     8.87   2.33   1. Rd6+ Kg7 2. Nd7 Nb5 3. Rb6 Nc7 4.
                                    Rg6+ Kf7 5. Nb6 Rc2 6. Bxg5 <HT>
                9->  13.11   2.33   1. Rd6+ Kg7 2. Nd7 Nb5 3. Rb6 Nc7 4.
                                    Rg6+ Kf7 5. Nb6 Rc2 6. Bxg5 <HT>
               10    16.63   2.42   1. Rd6+ Kg7 2. Nd7 Nb5 3. Rb6 Nc7 4.
                                    Rb7 Bf6 5. Nc5 Be5 6. Nxa4
               10    25.48     ++   1. Rd7!!
               10    42.06   3.00   1. Rd7 Bg7 2. Rd6+ Kh5 3. Rg6 Bh6 4.
                                    Nh7 Nd5 5. Bxg5 Bxg5 6. Rxg5+ Kh4 7.
                                    f6
               10->  43.25   3.00   1. Rd7 Bg7 2. Rd6+ Kh5 3. Rg6 Bh6 4.
                                    Nh7 Nd5 5. Bxg5 Bxg5 6. Rxg5+ Kh4 7.
                                    f6
               11    49.52   2.71   1. Rd7 Bg7 2. Rd6+ Kh5 3. Rg6 Bd4 4.
                                    Rxg5+ Kh6 5. Rg6+ Kh5 6. Bxd4 Rxd4
                                    7. Ne6 Rd1+ 8. Kf2 Nxe6 9. Rxe6 b3
                                    10. Re2 bxa2 11. Rxa2
               11->   1:00   2.71   1. Rd7 Bg7 2. Rd6+ Kh5 3. Rg6 Bd4 4.
                                    Rxg5+ Kh6 5. Rg6+ Kh5 6. Bxd4 Rxd4
                                    7. Ne6 Rd1+ 8. Kf2 Nxe6 9. Rxe6 b3
                                    10. Re2 bxa2 11. Rxa2
               12     1:11   2.71   1. Rd7 Bg7 2. Rd6+ Kh5 3. Rg6 Bd4 4.
                                    Rxg5+ Kh6 5. Rg6+ Kh5 6. Bxd4 Rxd4
                                    7. Ne6 Rd1+ 8. Kf2 Nxe6 9. Rxe6 Rh1
                                    10. h3 Rh2
               12->   1:38   2.71   1. Rd7 Bg7 2. Rd6+ Kh5 3. Rg6 Bd4 4.
                                    Rxg5+ Kh6 5. Rg6+ Kh5 6. Bxd4 Rxd4
                                    7. Ne6 Rd1+ 8. Kf2 Nxe6 9. Rxe6 Rh1
                                    10. h3 Rh2
              time=1:39  cpu=99%  mat=1  n=56723496  fh=92%  nps=570k
              ext-> chk=2645350 cap=131586 pp=305851 1rep=158131 mate=29176
              predicted=0  nodes=56723496  evals=14850041
              endgame tablebase-> probes done=0  successful=0
White(1): st 999
search time set to 999.00.
White(1): epdpfga \fxg6.epd t7.out
PFGA: EPD record: 1
              time surplus   0.00  time limit 16:39 (16:39)
         nss  depth   time  score   variation (1)
               13    57.69   2.74   1. Rd7 Bg7 2. Rd6+ Kh5 3. Rg6 Bd4 4.
                                    Rxg5+ <HT>
               13->   4:00   2.74   1. Rd7 Bg7 2. Rd6+ Kh5 3. Rg6 Bd4 4.
                                    Rxg5+ <HT>
               14     5:50   2.65   1. Rd7 Bg7 2. Rd6+ Kh5 3. Rg6 Bd4 4.
                                    Rxg5+ Kh6 5. Rg6+ Kh5 6. Bxd4 Rxd4
                                    7. Nh7 Nd5 8. Rd6 Nc3 9. Rxd4 Ne2+
                                    10. Kf2 Nxd4
               14->  10:56   2.65   1. Rd7 Bg7 2. Rd6+ Kh5 3. Rg6 Bd4 4.
                                    Rxg5+ Kh6 5. Rg6+ Kh5 6. Bxd4 Rxd4
                                    7. Nh7 Nd5 8. Rd6 Nc3 9. Rxd4 Ne2+
                                    10. Kf2 Nxd4
               15    14:24   2.66   1. Rd7 Bg7 2. Rd6+ Kh5 3. Rg6 Nd5 4.
                                    Rxg5+ Kh6 5. Rg6+ Kh5 6. Ne6 Nxe3 7.
                                    Nxg7+ Kh4 8. g3+ Kh3 9. Rh6+ Kg4 10.
                                    Kf2 Nd1+ 11. Ke1 Nb2 12. Rh4+ Kg5 13.
                                    Rxc4 Nxc4 14. h3
              time=16:39  cpu=99%  mat=1  n=535358862  fh=90%  nps=535k
              ext-> chk=25890849 cap=1073764 pp=2117573 1rep=1313675 mate=112765
              predicted=0  nodes=535358862  evals=246344864
              endgame tablebase-> probes done=0  successful=0
White(1): quit
execution complete.



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