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Subject: Re: mate in 11 test position: CM8000 stunningly fast on this!

Author: Roy Eassa

Date: 10:53:03 04/19/02

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On April 19, 2002 at 13:49:34, John Merlino wrote:

>On April 19, 2002 at 10:49:07, Roy Eassa wrote:
>
>>On April 19, 2002 at 07:36:17, Ignacio Santos Crespo wrote:
>>
>>>On April 19, 2002 at 07:33:45, Ignacio Santos Crespo wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 18, 2002 at 23:20:40, K. Burcham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Mate in 11.
>>>>>composed by John Kaan
>>>>> [D] rn1b2rk/1pp3p1/qp1p2R1/5Q2/3RN2P/1PP5/3PbP2/4K3 w - - 0 1
>>>>>very difficult for some programs.
>>>>>kburcham
>>>>
>>>>CM8000 ss=12 on Athlon 1200    23 seconds
>>>>
>>>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>>>0:00	1/5	0.00	116295		1. Rdxd6 cxd6 2. Nxd6 Re8 3. Nf7+
>>>>					Kg8 4. Nh6+ Kh8 5. Nf7+
>>>>0:02	1/6	6.98	339567		1. Rdxd6 cxd6 2. Nxd6 Re8 3. Nxe8
>>>>					Nd7 4. Qxd7 Qa1+ 5. Kxe2 Bf6 6.
>>>>					Nxf6 Qa6+ 7. c4
>>>>0:09	1/7	16.96	1519936		1. Rdxd6 cxd6 2. Nxd6 Re8 3. Nxe8
>>>>					Nd7 4. Rxg7 Qa1+ 5. Kxe2 Qf1+ 6.
>>>>					Kxf1 Ra1+ 7. Ke2 Re1+ 8. Kxe1 Nf6
>>>>					9. Rxb7
>>>>0:23	1/8	Mate11	4077834		1. Rdxd6 cxd6 2. Nxd6 Re8 3. Nxe8
>>>>					Nd7 4. Rxg7 Qa1+ 5. Kxe2 Qf1+ 6.
>>>>					Kxf1 Ra1+ 7. Ke2 Re1+ 8. Kxe1 Nf6
>>>>					9. Qg6 Be7 10. Rh7+ Nxh7 11. Qg7#
>>>>0:35	1/9	Mate11	6809341		1. Rdxd6 cxd6 2. Nxd6 Re8 3. Nxe8
>>>>					Nd7 4. Rxg7 Qa1+ 5. Kxe2 Qf1+ 6.
>>>>					Kxf1 Ra1+ 7. Ke2 Re1+ 8. Kxe1 Nf6
>>>>					9. Qg6 Be7 10. Rh7+ Nxh7 11. Qg7#
>>>>1:16	1/10	Mate11	12865191	1. Rdxd6 cxd6 2. Nxd6 Re8 3. Nxe8
>>>>					Nd7 4. Rxg7 Qa1+ 5. Kxe2 Qf1+ 6.
>>>>					Kxf1 Ra1+ 7. Ke2 Re1+ 8. Kxe1 Nf6
>>>>					9. Qg6 Be7 10. Rh7+ Nxh7 11. Qg7#
>>>
>>>And CM El Rey             8 seconds
>>>
>>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>>0:00	1/3	-3.79	2461		1. Ra4 Qb5 2. Qxb5 Bxb5 3. Rxa8
>>>					Bxh4
>>>0:00	1/3	-3.23	5523		1. Qe6 Kh7 2. Ra4 Bxh4 3. Rxa6 Bxa6
>>>0:00	1/4	-2.84	16492		1. Qe6 Kh7 2. Ng5+ Bxg5 3. Rxg5
>>>					g6 4. Ra4 Bc4 5. Rxc4 Qa1+ 6. Ke2
>>>0:00	2/5	-2.84	55387		1. Qe6 Kh7 2. Ng5+ Bxg5 3. Rxg5
>>>					g6 4. Ra4 Bc4 5. Rxc4 Qa1+ 6. Ke2
>>>0:00	2/5	0.00	110418		1. Rdxd6 cxd6 2. Nxd6 Re8 3. Nf7+
>>>					Kg8 4. Nh6+ Kh8 5. Nf7+
>>>0:02	2/6	8.28	344796		1. Rdxd6 cxd6 2. Nxd6 Re8 3. Nxe8
>>>					Nd7 4. Qxd7 Qa1+ 5. Kxe2 Bf6 6.
>>>					Nxf6 Qa6+ 7. c4
>>>0:08	3/7	Mate11	1682819		1. Rdxd6 cxd6 2. Nxd6 Re8 3. Nxe8
>>>					Nd7 4. Rxg7 Qa1+ 5. Kxe2 Nf6 6.
>>>					Qg6 Qf1+ 7. Kxf1 Ra1+ 8. Kg2 Rg1+
>>>					9. Kxg1 Be7 10. Rh7+ Nxh7 11. Qg7#
>>>0:16	3/8	Mate11	3505773		1. Rdxd6 cxd6 2. Nxd6 Re8 3. Nxe8
>>>					Nd7 4. Rxg7 Qa1+ 5. Kxe2 Nf6 6.
>>>					Qg6 Qf1+ 7. Kxf1 Ra1+ 8. Kg2 Rg1+
>>>					9. Kxg1 Be7 10. Rh7+ Nxh7 11. Qg7#
>>>0:38	4/9	Mate11	8323309		1. Rdxd6 cxd6 2. Nxd6 Re8 3. Nxe8
>>>					Nd7 4. Rxg7 Qa1+ 5. Kxe2 Nf6 6.
>>>					Qg6 Qf1+ 7. Kxf1 Ra1+ 8. Kg2 Rg1+
>>>					9. Kxg1 Be7 10. Rh7+ Nxh7 11. Qg7#
>>
>>
>>By what magic is CM8000 (any version or setting) able to see the mate so
>>quickly?  In the PV, White does not even give check until move 10!
>
>For the record, the default personality on a relatively low-end machine
>(PIII-600) finds it in 1:02....
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	1/3	-2.72	2506		1.Ra4 Qd3 2.Rxa8 Bxh4
>0:00	1/4	-2.72	9056		1.Ra4 Qb5 2.Qxb5 Bxb5 3.Rxa8 Bxh4
>0:00	1/4	-2.35	23293		1.Qe6 Kh7 2.Ng5+ Bxg5 3.Rxg5 g6
>					4.Ra4 Bc4 5.Rxa6 Bxe6 6.Rxa8 Bxb3
>0:01	2/5	-2.35	66742		1.Qe6 Kh7 2.Ng5+ Bxg5 3.Rxg5 g6
>					4.Ra4 Bc4 5.Rxa6 Bxe6 6.Rxa8 Bxb3
>0:02	2/5	0.00	133710		1.Rdxd6 cxd6 2.Nxd6 Re8 3.Nf7+
>					Kg8 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Nf7+
>0:04	2/6	6.98	414948		1.Rdxd6 cxd6 2.Nxd6 Re8 3.Nxe8
>					Nd7 4.Qxd7 Qa1+ 5.Kxe2 Bf6 6.Nxf6
>					Qa6+ 7.c4
>0:17	3/7	16.96	1809227		1.Rdxd6 cxd6 2.Nxd6 Re8 3.Nxe8
>					Nd7 4.Rxg7 Qa1+ 5.Kxe2 Qf1+ 6.Kxf1
>					Ra1+ 7.Ke2 Re1+ 8.Kxe1 Nf6 9.Rxb7
>1:02	3/8	Mate11	6826848		1.Rdxd6 cxd6 2.Nxd6 Re8 3.Nxe8
>					Nd7 4.Rxg7 Qa1+ 5.Kxe2 Qf1+ 6.Kxf1
>					Ra1+ 7.Ke2 Re1+ 8.Kxe1 Nf6 9.Qg6
>					Be7 10.Rh7+ Nxh7 11.Qg7#
>
>jm


John, that's pretty fast too, but I am honestly amazed that ANY verion of CM
with ANY settings can see such a long mate in under 10 seconds, especially since
there are no checks for the first 9 moves in the PV.

Any comment on how a CM version was able to do that?  Come on, what's your
secret?



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