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Subject: Re: Test Position (for computers or strong players) -- Can White Draw?

Author: Jonas Cohonas

Date: 15:55:06 04/19/02

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On April 19, 2002 at 14:07:13, John Merlino wrote:

>This position came up in a game between myself and a friend:
>
>[D]6k1/5R2/7P/6K1/8/8/p5P1/6r1 w - - 0 1
>
>The question is: can White draw (after 1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8=Q a1=Q)?
>
>Chessmaster says this, but I suspect that the eval is simply because of the
>difference in material (not the steadily dropping score):
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	2/3	-2.25	978		1.Ra7 a1=Q 2.h7+ Kh8 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
>0:00	3/4	-2.25	2266		1.Ra7 a1=Q 2.h7+ Kh8 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
>0:00	4/5	-2.63	6103		1.Ra7 a1=Q 2.Rxa1 Rxa1 3.g4 Ra5+
>					4.Kg6 Ra6+ 5.Kg5
>0:00	4/5	-2.60	7857		1.Rg7+ Kh8 2.Ra7 a1=Q 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
>					4.g4 Kh7
>0:00	5/6	-2.60	16712		1.Rg7+ Kh8 2.Ra7 a1=Q 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
>					4.g4 Kh7
>0:00	6/7	-4.04	45865		1.Rg7+ Kh8 2.Ra7 a1=Q 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
>					4.Kg6 Rg1 5.Kf5 Rxg2
>0:01	7/8	-4.66	145818		1.Rg7+ Kh8 2.Ra7 a1=Q 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
>					4.g4 Kh7 5.Kf4 Ra4+ 6.Kf5 Ra5+
>					7.Kf6 Kxh6
>0:02	7/8	-4.01	229288		1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8=Q a1=Q 3.Qh5+ Kf8
>					4.Qf3+ Ke7 5.Qe4+ Kd6 6.Qg6+ Kc5
>					7.Qf5+ Kc4 8.g4
>0:04	8/9	-4.02	414062		1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8=Q a1=Q 3.Qh5+ Kf8
>					4.Qf3+ Ke7 5.Qe4+ Kd6 6.Qg6+ Kc5
>					7.Qf5+ Kd4 8.Qg4+ Kd5 9.Kh4
>0:09	9/10	-3.93	898261		1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8=Q a1=Q 3.Qh5+ Kf8
>					4.Qf3+ Ke7 5.Qe4+ Kd6 6.Qg6+ Kc5
>					7.Qf5+ Kd4 8.Qf6+ Kd3 9.Qg6+ Kc4
>					10.g4
>0:20	10/11	-3.76	2026714		1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8=Q a1=Q 3.Qh5+ Kf8
>					4.Qf3+ Ke7 5.Qe4+ Kd6 6.Qg6+ Kc5
>					7.Qf5+ Kc6 8.Qe6+ Kc7 9.Qf7+ Kc8
>					10.Qf8+ Kb7 11.Qf7+ Kb6
>0:49	11/12	-3.63	4752637		1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8=Q a1=Q 3.Qh5+ Kf8
>					4.Qf3+ Ke7 5.Qe4+ Kd6 6.Qg6+ Kc5
>					7.Qf5+ Kc6 8.Qe6+ Kc7 9.Qf7+ Kc8
>					10.Qe6+ Kb7 11.Qd7+ Ka6 12.Qd5
>1:39	12/13	-3.53	10149051	1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8=Q a1=Q 3.Qh5+ Kf8
>					4.Qf3+ Ke7 5.Qe4+ Kd6 6.Qg6+ Kc5
>					7.Qf5+ Kc6 8.Qe6+ Kc7 9.Qf7+ Kc8
>					10.Qf8+ Kb7 11.Qe7+ Kb8 12.Qd8+
>					Ka7 13.Qc7+ Ka6
>4:01	13/14	-3.42	25036829	1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8=Q a1=Q 3.Qh5+ Kf8
>					4.Qf3+ Ke7 5.Qe4+ Kd6 6.Qg6+ Kc5
>					7.Qf5+ Kc6 8.Qe6+ Kc7 9.Qf7+ Kb6
>					10.Qe6+ Kb5 11.Qd5+ Kb4 12.Qe4+
>					Kc3 13.Qe5+ Kc2 14.Qd5
>7:53	14/15	-3.35	50033731	1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8=Q a1=Q 3.Qh5+ Kf8
>					4.Qf3+ Ke7 5.Qe4+ Kd6 6.Qg6+ Kc5
>					7.Qf5+ Kc6 8.Qe6+ Kc7 9.Qf7+ Kc8
>					10.Qf8+ Kb7 11.Qf7+ Kb6 12.Qg6+
>					Kb5 13.Qd3+ Kc6 14.Qg6+ Kd5 15.Kf4
>
>jm

New game
6k1/5R2/7P/6K1/8/8/p5P1/6r1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 6.02:

1.Ra7 a1Q 2.h7+ Kh8 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
  -+  (-2.63)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1.Ra7 a1Q 2.h7+ Kh8 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
  -+  (-2.63)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1.Ra7 a1Q 2.h7+ Kh8 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
  -+  (-2.63)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1.Ra7 a1Q 2.h7+ Kh8 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
  -+  (-2.63)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1.Ra7 a1Q 2.h7+ Kh8 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
  -+  (-2.63)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1.Ra7 a1Q 2.h7+ Kh8 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
  -+  (-2.63)   Depth: 4/8   00:00:00
1.Ra7 a1Q 2.h7+ Kh8 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
  -+  (-2.63)   Depth: 4/8   00:00:00
1.Ra7 a1Q 2.h7+ Kh8 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
  -+  (-2.63)   Depth: 4/8   00:00:00
1.Ra7 a1Q 2.h7+ Kh8 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
  -+  (-2.63)   Depth: 4/8   00:00:00
1.Ra7 a1Q 2.h7+ Kh8 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
  -+  (-2.63)   Depth: 4/8   00:00:00
1.Ra7 a1Q 2.h7+ Kh8 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
  -+  (-2.63)   Depth: 4/8   00:00:00
1.Ra7 a1Q 2.h7+ Kh8 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
  -+  (-2.63)   Depth: 4/8   00:00:00
1.Ra7 a1Q 2.h7+ Kh8 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
  -+  (-2.63)   Depth: 4/8   00:00:00
1.Ra7 a1Q 2.h7+ Kh8 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
  -+  (-2.63)   Depth: 4/8   00:00:00
1.Ra7 a1Q 2.h7+ Kh8 3.Rxa1 Rxa1
  -+  (-2.63)   Depth: 4/8   00:00:00
1.Ra7 a1Q 2.Rxa1 Rxa1 3.Kg6
  -+  (-2.82)   Depth: 5/10   00:00:00
1.Ra7 a1Q 2.Rxa1 Rxa1 3.g4 Kh8
  -+  (-2.60)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00
1.Ra7 a1Q 2.Rxa1 Rxa1 3.Kf5
  -+  (-2.86)   Depth: 7/14   00:00:00  21kN, tb=190
1.Ra7 a1Q 2.Rxa1 Rxa1 3.g3 Ra3 4.Kf4
  -+  (-2.81)   Depth: 7/14   00:00:00  23kN, tb=231
1.Ra7 a1Q 2.Rxa1 Rxa1 3.g3 Ra5+ 4.Kg6 Ra6+ 5.Kg5 Kh7
  -+  (-3.06)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:00  36kN, tb=423
1.Ra7 a1Q 2.Rxa1 Rxa1 3.g3 Ra5+ 4.Kg6 Ra6+ 5.Kg5 Kh7
  -+  (-3.07)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:00  40kN, tb=553
1.Rg7+ Kh8 2.Ra7 Kg8
  -+  (-3.06)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:01  71kN, tb=659
1.Rg7+ Kh8 2.Ra7 a1B
  -+  (-2.71)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:01  73kN, tb=673
1.Rg7+ Kh8 2.Ra7 a1Q 3.Rxa1 Rxa1 4.g3 Ra5+ 5.Kh4 Kg8
  -+  (-2.71)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:02  81kN, tb=846
1.Rg7+ Kh8 2.Ra7 a1Q 3.Rxa1 Rxa1 4.g3 Ra5+ 5.Kg6 Ra6+ 6.Kg5
  -+  (-2.97)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:02  93kN, tb=890
1.Rg7+ Kh8 2.Ra7 a1Q 3.Rxa1 Rxa1 4.g3 Ra5+ 5.Kg6 Ra6+ 6.Kg5
  -+  (-2.98)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:02  100kN, tb=1079
1.Rg7+ Kh8 2.Ra7 a1Q 3.Rf7
  -+  (-3.23)   Depth: 10/20   00:00:02  180kN, tb=1281
1.Rg7+ Kh8 2.Ra7 a1Q 3.Rf7
  -+  (-3.73)   Depth: 10/20   00:00:02  197kN, tb=1282
1.Rg7+ Kh8 2.Ra7 a1Q 3.Rxa1 Rxa1 4.g4 Kh7 5.Kh5 Rh1+ 6.Kg5 Rxh6
  -+  (-4.77)   Depth: 10/20   00:00:03  589kN, tb=1431
1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8Q a1Q 3.Qh5+ Ke7 4.Qh7+ Kd6 5.Qd3+ Kc6 6.Qc2+ Kd6
  -+  (-4.76)   Depth: 10/20   00:00:03  786kN, tb=1692
1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8Q a1Q 3.Qh5+ Ke7 4.Qh7+ Kd6 5.Qd3+ Ke7 6.Qe3+ Kd7 7.Qd3+ Ke7
8.Qe3+ Kd7 9.Qd3+ Ke7 10.Qe3+
  -+  (-4.41)   Depth: 10/20   00:00:03  857kN, tb=1701
1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8Q a1Q 3.Qh5+ Ke7 4.Qh7+ Kd6 5.Qd3+ Ke5 6.Qf5+ Kd4 7.Qf2+ Kd3
8.Qf3+ Kc4 9.Qf7+ Kb4 10.Qb7+ Kc3 11.Qf3+ Kc4 12.Qf7+ Kb4 13.Qb7+ Kc3 14.Qf3+
Kc4 15.Qf7+
  -+  (-4.06)   Depth: 10/20   00:00:04  1118kN, tb=1717
1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8Q a1Q 3.Qh5+ Ke7 4.Qh7+ Kd6 5.Qd3+ Ke5 6.Qf5+ Kd4 7.Qf2+ Kd3
8.Qf3+ Kc4 9.Qf7+ Kb4 10.Qb7+ Kc3 11.Qf3+ Kc4 12.Qf7+ Kb4 13.Qb7+ Kc3 14.Qf3+
Kc4 15.Qf7+
  -+  (-4.06)   Depth: 11/22   00:00:04  1366kN, tb=2012
1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8Q a1Q 3.Qh5+ Ke7 4.Qh7+ Kd6 5.Qd3+ Ke5 6.Qf5+ Kd4 7.Qf6+ Kc5
8.Qe7+ Kd4 9.Qf6+ Kc5 10.Qe7+ Kd4 11.Qf6+ Kc5
  -+  (-3.91)   Depth: 12/24   00:00:05  2012kN, tb=2251
1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8Q a1Q 3.Qh5+ Ke7 4.Qh7+ Kd6 5.Qd3+ Ke5 6.Qf5+ Kd4 7.Qf4+ Kc5
8.Qc7+ Kb5 9.Qb7+ Ka5
  -+  (-3.85)   Depth: 13/25   00:00:07  3005kN, tb=2836
1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8Q a1Q 3.Qh5+ Ke7 4.Qh7+ Kd6 5.Qd3+ Ke5 6.Qf5+ Kd4 7.Qf4+ Kc5
8.Qc7+ Kb5 9.Qb7+ Ka5 10.Qa8+ Kb6 11.Qb8+ Ka5 12.Qa7+ Kb5 13.Qb7+ Ka5 14.Qa8+
Kb6 15.Qb8+
  -+  (-3.85)   Depth: 14/26   00:00:11  4911kN, tb=5229
1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8Q a1Q 3.Qh5+ Ke7 4.Qh7+ Kd6 5.Qd3+ Ke5 6.Qf5+ Kd4 7.Qf4+ Kc5
8.Qc7+ Kb5 9.Qb7+ Ka5 10.Qa8+ Kb6 11.Qb8+ Kc5 12.Qf8+ Kb5 13.Qf5+ Kc4 14.Qe6+
Kd3 15.Qf5+
  -+  (-3.85)   Depth: 15/27   00:00:18  8816kN, tb=9424
1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8Q a1Q 3.Qh5+ Ke7 4.Qh7+ Kd6 5.Qd3+ Ke5 6.Qf5+ Kd4 7.Qf4+ Kc5
8.Qc7+ Kb5 9.Qb7+ Kc4 10.Qc6+ Kd4 11.Qd6+ Kc4 12.Qc6+ Kd4 13.Qd6+ Kc4 14.Qc6+
Kd4
  -+  (-3.76)   Depth: 16/28   00:00:42  24259kN, tb=22140
1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8Q a1Q 3.Qh5+ Ke7 4.Qh7+ Kd6 5.Qd3+ Ke5 6.Qf5+ Kd4 7.Qf4+ Kc5
8.Qc7+ Kb5 9.Qb7+ Kc4 10.Qc6+ Kd4 11.Qd6+ Kc4 12.Qc6+ Kd4 13.Qd6+ Kc4 14.Qc6+
Kd4
  -+  (-3.61)   Depth: 17/29   00:01:24  55495kN, tb=41223
1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8Q a1Q 3.Qh5+ Ke7 4.Qh7+ Kd6 5.Qd3+ Ke5 6.Qf5+ Kd4 7.Qf2+ Kc4
8.Qf7+ Kc5 9.Qe7+ Kd4 10.Qd6+ Kc4 11.Qc6+ Kd4 12.Qd6+ Kc4 13.Qc6+ Kd4 14.Qd6+
Kc4
  -+  (-3.60)   Depth: 18/30   00:02:20  97983kN, tb=77602
1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8Q a1Q 3.Qh5+ Ke7 4.Qh7+ Kd6 5.Qd3+ Ke5 6.Qf5+ Kd4 7.Qf2+ Kc4
8.Qf7+ Kc5 9.Qe7+ Kd4 10.Qd6+ Kc4 11.Qc6+ Kd4 12.Qd6+ Kc4 13.Qc6+ Kd4 14.Qd6+
Kc4
  -+  (-3.60)   Depth: 19/31   00:04:05  181394kN, tb=148225
1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8Q a1Q 3.Qh5+ Ke7 4.Qh7+ Kd6 5.Qd3+ Ke5 6.Qf5+ Kd4 7.Qf2+ Kc4
8.Qf7+ Kc5 9.Qe7+ Kd4 10.Qd6+ Kc4 11.Qc6+ Kd4 12.Qd6+ Kc4 13.Qc6+ Kd4 14.Qd6+
Kc4
  -+  (-3.59)   Depth: 20/32   00:07:52  354690kN, tb=284520
1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8Q a1Q 3.Qh5+ Ke7 4.Qh7+ Kd6 5.Qd3+ Ke5 6.Qf5+ Kd4 7.Qf2+ Kc4
8.Qf7+ Kc5 9.Qe7+ Kd4 10.Qd6+ Kc4 11.Qc6+ Kd4 12.Qd6+ Kc4 13.Qc6+ Kd4 14.Qd6+
Kc4
  -+  (-3.56)   Depth: 21/33   00:16:46  798102kN, tb=596826
1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8Q a1Q 3.Qh5+ Ke7 4.Qh7+ Kd6 5.Qd3+ Ke5 6.Qf5+ Kd4 7.Qf2+ Kc4
8.Qf7+ Kc5 9.Qe7+ Kd4 10.Qd6+ Kc4 11.Qc6+ Kd4 12.Qd6+ Kc4 13.Qc6+ Kd4 14.Qd6+
Kc4
  -+  (-3.56)   Depth: 22/34   00:30:12  1472877kN, tb=1189314
1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8Q a1Q 3.Qh5+ Ke7 4.Qh7+ Kd6 5.Qd3+ Ke5 6.Qf5+ Kd4 7.Qf2+ Kc4
8.Qf7+ Kc5 9.Qe7+ Kd4 10.Qd6+ Kc4 11.Qc6+ Kd4 12.Qd6+ Kc4 13.Qc6+ Kd4 14.Qd6+
Kc4
  -+  (-3.31)   Depth: 23/35   00:53:44  2690922kN, tb=2097632
1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8Q a1Q 3.Qh5+ Ke7 4.Qh7+ Kd6 5.Qd3+ Ke5 6.Qf5+ Kd4 7.Qf2+ Kc4
8.Qf7+ Kc5 9.Qe7+ Kd4 10.Qd6+ Kc4 11.Qc6+ Kd4 12.Qd6+ Kc4 13.Qc6+ Kd4 14.Qd6+
Kc4
  -+  (-2.81)   Depth: 23/35   01:06:19  3440951kN, tb=2263151
1.h7+ Kxf7 2.h8Q a1Q 3.Qh5+ Ke7 4.Qh7+ Kd6 5.Qd3+ Kc7 6.Qc4+ Kd6 7.Qd3+ Kc7
8.Qc4+ Kd6 9.Qd3+ Kc7
  =  (0.03)   Depth: 23/35   01:53:21  5922228kN, tb=3773533

(, Dual MP 1600+ 20.04.2002)

Regards
Jonas




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