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Subject: Re: To: Peter Berger

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 22:50:34 04/20/02

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On April 21, 2002 at 00:12:02, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On April 20, 2002 at 12:35:04, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On April 20, 2002 at 11:53:46, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On April 20, 2002 at 03:01:01, Peter Berger wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 20, 2002 at 00:29:10, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The fact that tiger did no progress in the last moves is not a good reason to
>>>>>afjudicate it as a draw.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tiger has KRN vs K and the game should continue.
>>>>>
>>>>>Maybe tiger does not know to win KRN vs K but the 50 move rule are going to
>>>>>force it to sacrifice the knight and get KR vs K that it knows to win.
>>>>>
>>>>>I do not know about the knowledge of palm tiger but it is one possibility.
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>You are completely right and I came to the same conclusion. It was partly a
>>>>technical decision as I was really too tired to watch this game any longer. And
>>>>I expect exactly the same as you ( the Tiger sacrifices the knight because of
>>>>the 50 move rule and then will know how to mate). I think I will let them replay
>>>>this endgame (sigh).
>>>>
>>>>Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I think that you are right and that the 50 moves rule is going to save Tiger
>>>here.
>>>
>>>As I told you in email, there is a bug in version 14.9. Tiger thinks this KRN/K
>>>endgame is actually a KRN/KR. So it uses the wrong knowledge here because of
>>>this bug and is not trying to push the king to the border to mate it.
>>
>>I do not understand it because even in KRN vs KR it is better for the stronger
>>side to reduce the distance between the kings and palm tiger did not do an
>>effort to do it(even if you use only piece square table evaluation then
>>centralizing the king should give better moves than the moves that I saw).
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>
>Tiger just consider KRN/KR as very drawish, and has no specific knowledge apart
>from that.
>
>I wonder if you can win KRN/KR in comp vs comp games, in the general case. I
>don't think so, so I did not spend much time on it.

It is usually a draw but the same rules that are good for KRB vs KR or KQ vs KR
are also good for KRN vs KR so I do not think there is a need for a special
code.

Usually there is not a win but in positions that there is a win the winner
usually put the king in a better square.

If I remember correctly then
I rememeber a case when gandalf4.32 lost KR vs KRN agaionst Fritz6 when the
sides did not use tablebases so knowing nothing is not good there.

Uri



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