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Subject: Re: Smilin Smirin is too weak to beat these programs.

Author: Chris Carson

Date: 15:39:16 04/21/02

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On April 21, 2002 at 18:15:06, pavel wrote:

>On April 21, 2002 at 18:08:58, Chris Carson wrote:
>
>>On April 21, 2002 at 17:54:36, martin fierz wrote:
>>
>>>On April 21, 2002 at 17:47:40, Otello Gnaramori wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 21, 2002 at 17:38:47, martin fierz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>smirin is wiping the floor with the programs too. he was clearly better in
>>>>>*every* drawn game. he has shown 4 times that he is way better than the
>>>>>programs. with a longer time control he would have had the time a human needs to
>>>>>win a couple of games more.
>>>>
>>>>Sorry to disagree ,but you are making pure conjectures not supported by facts.
>>>>I'm simply not convinced by your claim, since also programs analysis get better
>>>>with time, period.
>>>>
>>>>w.b.r.
>>>>Otello
>>>
>>>ok, you are right - i have no facts to support the conjecture. but i hope
>>>someone here has - i know humans play better against comps at longer time
>>>controls. i know there is data on this. does anyone have numbers to clear this
>>>up?
>>>
>>>aloha
>>>  martin
>>
>>In general more time benefits the human.  But that is not true for all humans.
>
>why is that? this is the first opinion of this kind i have seen.

Hard data from ICC shows that in general the comps rating increases with faster
time controls agains humans, also there are some humans that play better under
time pressure than at longer time controls and they have higher blitz ratings as
well.

There are many possible factors that can make a difference for human
performance.  Stress (time pressure) can improve performance in some humans and
reduce performance in others.  Concentration periods are maximized at different
intervals for diffenent individuals.  There is a large body of research on
"performance" both mental and physical in the health literature.

A similar example is the person that studies all semester to get an "A" in a
class vs the person that crams the entire semester in to one week or one night
to an "A" in the class.

On a personal note, I play best at G/30, but practice at slower time controls.

>
>>
>>More time also benefits the programs.  They can search deeper and in critical
>>positions.
>
>If a program doesnt know "nada" about a position, deeper search wont do "nada".
>:)
>
>
>>
>>I do not know if more time would help GM Smirin, I do not recall time trouble
>>for him, also he agreed to play at this time control.
>
>Yes thats because he is a professional ;)
>
>  60min + 10sec is a little
>>shorter than standard FIDE, but not a lot.
>
>
>Not true, we cannot call it "little".

I think it is little, guess you do not.

>
>
>pavs



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