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Subject: Re: Most of the programs are pirated copies

Author: Don Dailey

Date: 17:50:55 07/20/98

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On July 20, 1998 at 15:05:57, Dan Newman wrote:

>On July 19, 1998 at 14:47:11, Don Dailey wrote:
>
>>
>>I believe there should be no restrictions on making copies of anything
>>that is copyable including music, software books and yes, even IDEAS.
>>
>>In this society however it may not be feasable since we live in a
>>pretty materialistic one.  I honor the rules myself, I have signed
>>nondisclosure agreements and marketed programs myself.  But if I
>>wrote the rules I would relax or do away with these restrictions,
>>perhaps slowly so as to not disrupt things too much.
>>
>>Something doesn't seem quite right about considering an idea as
>>something you can legally OWN.  I understand the reasoning behind
>>this and have heard all the arguments.  But an idea is something
>>that is discovered, not created.   And in my opinion ANY idea
>>should be in the public domain.
>>
>
>As far as I understand it, ideas can neither be patented nor
>copyrighted--they are all public domain.  Ideas, theories,
>mathematical equations and such are free and can be used by
>anyone.  It's the implementations of those things that are
>given protection.  (Hence algorithms shouldn't be patentable
>since they are really mathematical expressions, IMHO.)
>
>The reason for patents and copyrights is not really to
>protect individual rights or ownership--though that is their
>direct effect--but to encourge people to create stuff in
>the first place.  If these protections were not there,
>the monetary incentive for creation of new things would
>be nil.  In other words, these protections are really there
>for the people on the consuming end.
>
>>I have no problem with selling anything people will buy.  But I
>>don't like the artificial restriction of limiting what they can
>>do with this product once they have it.    I know this is extreme
>>but I basically feel this way about patents and copyrights.
>>They are all based on the concept of "ownership" of something
>>that should be free in my opinion.
>
>I certainly think it should be OK to make backup copies, or if
>you have two machines, to have a copy on each--provided you are
>the only user.  As long as the copies are only for personal use
>I don't see much of a problem--though I think the owners of the
>copyright/patent may see otherwise.
>
>But remember, the copyright and patent are not really there to
>protect the owners but to encourge generation of new/improved
>products.  I think this effect will not be significantly reduced
>by people making personal copies of software they've already
>bought.

Hi Dan,

This is the main argument I have heard many times Dan.  I guess
I'm questioning whether these things actually do encourage the
development of new ideas and products.  I have little doubt that
big corporations would lose interest without these economic
incentives but is this a bad thing?  What would happen is that
they would simply turn to other things.   Remember, I'm only
talking about not restricting the use of ideas through copyrights,
patents or other artificial means, anything else stays the same
and people are still encouraged to buy and sell goods and services
as they see fit and to the extent they can make a profit doing
so.

If you look at the public domain softare "market" you will be
impressed.  People are producing software for the personal
pride and fulfillment of it, and the money is a secondary or
non-existant issue for them.  The quality of this software is
incredible too.  I suspect without the copy protection laws and
illegal copy rules we would still have a plethora of wonderful
software to choose from.

For example, I am running an operating
system that is completely free.  It comes bundled with SEVERAL
languages included a C compiler, a ton of games including
a free chess program, several editors, hundreds of utilities,
full networking support and I'm still discovering programs
I never knew were there.  I found a program the other day
I had never noticed, it produces an image of a planet,
fractally designed and random each time you run it.  It came
as part of the operating system distribution and I never
knew it was there.

It seems superior in every way to any commercial OS I have seen,
even including commercial Unix OS's.  But's it is public
domain and copying it is ENCOURAGED not discouraged.   And the
strange thing about it is that there are companies making money
distributing this OS.  At work several groups have purchased the
CD's for it.  Any company can sell it, but no one is allowed
to copyright it or discourage it's distribution.  If I don't
want to pay for it I can download it from many places or borrow
a CD from someone without ever being afraid it's illegal.  To
me that is about as cool as you can get!   The people who work
on this OS do it because they LOVE it, and want to have a more
powerful OS than what is commercially available.   So the only
difference these rules have imposed is that people who write
this software are not doing it for money,  instead they are
doing it out of personal pride.   In my opinion, this has
been a huge benefit to the public and encourage the free flow
of ideas and useful products, NOT the other way around.
Most of the commercial OS's available DISCOURAGE and protect
their ideas jealously with rules and lawyers.  They want us
to be their loyal children as long as we never grow up.

If the same thing happened to the book market do you know what
would happen?  Since any book would be copied freely, chances
are good that companies would spring up to reprint books
since most people would not go to the bother to make their
own copies unless they wanted electronic copies (which would
also proliferate I'm sure.)   People would become writers
because they love to write, not to make money.  I suspect
that people would find ways to make money writing anyway and
this would not be discouraged as long as it didn't involve
burdening the public with laws and rules to get more money
out of them.

Those who only would write books to make money might find
another profession and so we would still benefit from their
contribution to society, or they would write part time but
focus only on the subjects they loved instead of the ones
that made them rich.  Go to any book store and you will
quickly get sick of seeing books that are obviously written
only for money.

- Don




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