Author: Uri Blass
Date: 03:44:12 04/25/02
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On April 25, 2002 at 06:07:04, Michael Vox wrote: >Hello, > >I do not think Human vs Bot games are over yet. I think you better check the >scoreboard Smirin 3.5 vs Bots 2.5. > >http://www.chessbase.com/events/events.asp?pid=122 > >If it was a blow-out for either side then there would be no interest. I >appreciated Smirin's fortress against Hiarcs. In fact, based on the two games >H8 has played I would say it is the strongest program. > >On April 25, 2002 at 04:22:27, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On April 25, 2002 at 02:43:41, Tina Long wrote: >> >>>On April 25, 2002 at 01:49:36, john c cook wrote: >>> >>>>the computer are a lot better than a lot of people belive and it is hard to get >>>>a win for gm or master all other get killed so if gm can not beat the computer >>>>than who will play it look like no more computer vs human event to me am i right >>>>or not > >You mean like Dr. Hyatt who keeps stating bots are barely GM, yet his Crafty(C) >program at ICC is playing at GM level for some time now! > >>>Yep, you are spot on John, an excellent observation. >>>I think interest in Computer vs Hunan (sic) matches has completely died out. > >When these NOW powerhouse programs showed up in a big way 10 to 15 years ago a >match between say MChess Pro against ChessMaster could draw crowds to watch, but >after a few years nobody would show up! > >However, against big names like Kramnik people will still show up. > >>>I doubt if anybody will ever actually play against their own software ever >>>again. > >Well, it depends on the software, I can still beat some of the freeware >programs, however; I agree with you that I cannot beat my best programs, F7, J7 >and Hiarcs7.32 etc.. > >CB has recognized this and has incorporated playchess.com in their program. >This will help to maintain sales and presumably they will begin charging a fee >once enough people start going there. I noticed the Players club was up to 300 >players, not bad. I am sure they have a target level of members at which point >they will begin charging. Playchess.com software still has allot of bugs and >problems to resolve. I don't think they even have a SpeedTrap there yet. Not >enough resources, and (C)heating at Playchess.com is so easy and prevalent, >SpeedTrap there would be like giving out speeding tickets at the INDY 500 road >race :) > >My rating is between 1700 and 1800 ELO so I am considered a strong club player. >I do not play against my best software, it is to strong, however; I do use the >other features, in particular the Analysis Engine. This tool has improved my >chess immeasurably. If it were a hundred years ago, I would still be around >1400 ELO. My location is rather isolated for finding (H)umans to play against. >We can now with a flick of a switch at any time play a GM, it will beat us, no >laughing at us and then it shows us our mistakes, now that we should be thankful >for. > >>>I think the Kramnik - Fritz match will be cancelled too, as nobody has shown any >>>interest in that whatsoever. > >The Kramnik match will happen when Kramnik gets around to playing it! The money >is in place. He is simply delaying so he can practice more against F7. I >believe there is allot of interest in the match, but certainly not as much as >the Kaspy vs DB match. Blame Kramnik not the bot in this one :) > >>>The only thing left to do is match software against software. > >We already have this at ICCA etc.. We are still a long way off when the best a >human can do is a draw against a bot. > >>Software against humans is also possible in the right conditions. >> >>I believe that every player with a rating of at least 1500 who knows something >>about computers can beat every program in a match when you only let me to choose >>the initial position and the program is going to have to play the same position >>with white and black. > >Yes, but why make such a ridiculous statement. If I take the bots pieces from >it in the setup and I have all of mine, I will win. So why make this analogy ? No in this case the result is going to be 1-1 because I am talking about a match of 2games when you get also the position of the opponent. Uri
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