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Subject: Re: GM Mecking and computers

Author: Roy Eassa

Date: 06:38:12 04/26/02

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On April 26, 2002 at 09:02:28, Albert Silver wrote:

>>I think 10-20 yrs is a long shot.
>>If we take Fritz for example, we see that it releases new versions every yr,
>>from the last version (DF) of this strong engine, Fritz7 is (arguably, but maybe
>>not so)50+ avg stronger, it is almost more than 80-100 elo better than Fritz6
>>(arguably again).
>>
>>We can perhaps state about the current version of Fritz7 that it is almost the
>>same strength as lets say a human rated 2600-2650 (arguably). So with the
>>current trend we can assume that when Fritz11 comes out at yr 2006, it will be
>>(arguably) 200elo more than the current version which will be around 2800-2850
>>(ahem arguably), and with much more faster processors, this could turn out to be
>>even stronger.
>>
>>So maybe in another 4yr we can have Kasparov-kramnik running on our handheld PC.
>>
>>not too fictional IMO ;)
>>
>>pavs
>
>I don't know that I agree with your assessment Pavel. First there is the 80-100
>Elo improvement you claim for Fritz 7 over Fritz 6. This increase is that touted
>by the SSDF, but as has been generally acknowledged, the results of comp-comp
>games aren't the same as comp-human games. The 80-100 Elo only represents it's
>ability (performance) to beat other programs on other machines, but doesn't mean
>that it will improve its performance over humans by the same margin. In fact I'm
>sure it doesn't.
>
>Have you ever logged on ICC to see the games between some of the known computer
>killers? One of them is rather interestingly the
>recently-returned-from-retirement GM Mecking. I have had the opportunity to
>observe several of his games and in particular noticed how he went about beating
>them, when he did beat them. He holds his own in _blitz_ games against them mind
>you, where they should theoretically be having a field day, and is undoubtedly
>the key to the colossal rating he has on the server. He has also been about this
>for a couple of years, and his win-loss ratio against them hasn't changed much
>despite a few upgrades in software versions, and the much faster hardware. Also,
>he always plays the highest rated accounts there. You should note that he is far
>below 2700 FIDE and no longer at his best.
>
>On a side note, he has been visiting Rio consistently lately in order to have
>intensive chess software training with yours truly so I expect to see his form
>recover somewhat if he sticks to it. I'm also teaching him how to use the mouse
>with ONE hand BTW.
>
>                                       Albert


Albert, that's _very_ interesting info on GM Mecking -- thank you for posting
it!

You have been quite silent on this board in recent weeks.  I hope this signals
your return in full force!



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