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Subject: Re: Micro Milestones vs Humans

Author: Howard Exner

Date: 11:56:37 07/22/98

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On July 22, 1998 at 10:21:52, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On July 22, 1998 at 03:48:48, Howard Exner wrote:
>
>>On July 22, 1998 at 02:59:55, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>What is the milestone in Rebel vs Anand?
>>
>>3-1 victory in blitz match with an almost 2800 rated player.
>>1.5-.5 victory in a game/15 match ...
>>>
>>>bruce
>>
>>Is the use of the word milestone the hurdle here?
>>
>>Remember, my post included this sentence:
>>
>>Maybe milestones is too strong a word but some kind of site would be
>>nice that would showcase the accomplishments of the many programmers in this
>>area of computer chess.
>>
>>I hoped that I made the intention clear by citing a few examples.
>>Here are the other ones:
>>
>>Crafty winning a state championship
>
>
>this is wrong.  In 1981 Cray Blitz won the Mississippi State Closed Chess
>Championship running on a single-cpu Cray-1.  It was the first victory by a
>computer over a USCF-master in a tournament (40/2) time control.  In this event,
>it won 5 and lost 0.
>
>Crafty has played in one human tournament, the 1997 (or maybe 96) Pan Am held
>near the University of Maryland Baltimore County campus.  It was the clear
>winner of this tournament with one draw in 7 rounds.

Thanks for this info. I'll include both these in the list.
>
>
>
>>Genius beating Kasparov in game/30
>>Listing the first micro to beat a GM
>>The net tournament of game/30 where the computers did so well.
>>(Wasn't Ferret part of that computer group?)
>
>yes... ferret, crafty, chessmaster 5000, don't recall the others.  The
>significant thing was that there were computers, and there were GM players
>(only) and *all* computers finished ahead of the best-finishing GM...  which
>was a surprise...

This event too I found a big surprise. But I will include this in the
computer vs human list.
>
>However, I don't think it was a "landmark" issue as this has become more
>common in the last 2-3 years as hardware speeds have gotten so fast.

My general thoughts are to include many events and then dump them back for
feedback. Like you I believe they are becoming more commonplace so that
is why I would find it interesting to record them as to me it still is in the
pioneer stage. Also I want to avoid duplicating already existing lists from
books or other websites.

I definitley think a comment on computers on the net would be a nice read.
To us presently it might appear mundane but in 10 years from now people would
remember something like "hey did you know that X was the first computer
program to challenge humans over the net" or "computer Y had a steady rating of
wxyz back in 1998 - there were even some humans in the top 10!"

The feedback is helping me clarify what I'm after. A photo album type of thing.
>
>>
>>Are the few examples I've given not worthy candidates of accomplishments
>>made by chess programs?
>>If Rebel-Anand isn't noteworthy which of the above are?
>>
>>I wasn't looking for some rigid test that the programs had to pass
>>to be included. For example, I think an accomplishment would be
>>citing some of the current ICC computer ratings. Put in an historical
>>perspective that to me is quite an achievement.



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