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Subject: Can a computer be expected to find this ??

Author: Kim Roper Jensen

Date: 15:26:11 04/29/02


Hi

In my national chess magazine i found this position

[D]r1bqkb1r/3n1ppp/pn1pp3/1p6/3NP1P1/2N1BP2/PPPQ3P/2KR1B1R w kq -

It was from the game Alex. Grischuk - Semen Dvoirys, Aeroflot Open 2002

Grischuk played an novelty, and could, according to IM Steffen Pedersen, refute
the hole variation.

The move played was 11.Ndxb5!

It seems to me, that this kind of move is going to be hard for computers to
find.

Shredder 6.02 on a dual 1GHz with 1200 MB Hash never consider this move :

Engine: Shredder Paderborn
by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
  1.00	 0:00 	+1.67++	1.Nc6 (1)
  1.00	 0:00 	+1.67 	1.Nc6 (2)
  2.00	 0:00 	+1.68 	1.Nc6 Qc7 2.Nb4 (94)
  3.00	 0:00 	+1.09--	1.Nc6 Qc7 2.Nb4 (2.056) 137.0
  3.00	 0:00 	+1.09 	1.Nc6 Qc7 2.Nb4 (2.064) 137.6
  3.00	 0:00 	+1.21++	1.Be2 b4 2.Nb1 (2.069) 137.9
  3.00	 0:00 	+1.21 	1.Be2 b4 2.Nb1 (2.076) 138.4
  3.00	 0:00 	+1.30++	1.Kb1 Bb7 2.Bg2 (2.085) 139.0
  3.00	 0:00 	+1.30 	1.Kb1 Bb7 2.Bg2 (2.094) 139.6
  4.00	 0:00 	+1.07 	1.Kb1 Bb7 2.Bg2 Rc8 (3.009) 97.0
  5.00	 0:00 	+0.91 	1.Kb1 Bb7 2.Bf4 Nc4 3.Bxc4 bxc4 (8.549) 185.8
  5.00	 0:00 	+0.92++	1.Nc6 Bb7 2.Nxd8 Kxd8 (10.879) 175.4
  5.00	 0:00 	+0.98 	1.Nc6 Qc7 2.Na5 h5 3.Bh3 hxg4 4.Bxg4 (12.044) 194.2
  6.00	 0:00 	+0.73--	1.Nc6 Qc7 2.Bxb6 Qxb6 3.Nxb5 Qxc6 4.Qc3 Qxc3 5.Nxd6+ Bxd6
(68.239) 313.0
  6.00	 0:00 	+0.63 	1.Nc6 Qc7 2.Nb4 d5 3.Bf4 Bd6 4.Bxd6 Qxd6 (89.207) 317.4
  6.00	 0:00 	+0.64++	1.Kb1 Bb7 (102.456) 328.3
  6.00	 0:00 	+0.86 	1.Kb1 Bb7 2.Bg5 Be7 3.Bxe7 Qxe7 4.Bg2 (109.107) 332.6
  6.00	 0:00 	+0.87++	1.Be2 Bb7 2.Bg5 Be7 3.Bxe7 Qxe7 4.f4 (112.233) 327.2
  6.00	 0:00 	+0.87 	1.Be2 Bb7 2.Bg5 Be7 3.Bxe7 Qxe7 4.f4 (114.982) 320.2
  7.01	 0:00 	+0.78 	1.Be2 Bb7 2.Nb3 b4 3.Nb1 a5 4.Qd4 (213.019) 340.8
  7.03	 0:00 	+0.79++	1.Kb1 Bb7 (250.640) 341.4
  7.03	 0:00 	+0.79 	1.Kb1 Bb7 2.Nce2 Be7 3.Nb3 O-O 4.Bxb6 Nxb6 (271.076) 340.5
  7.06	 0:00 	+0.80++	1.f4 Bb7 2.f5 exf5 3.gxf5 Nc8 (324.257) 340.2
  7.06	 0:01 	+0.88 	1.f4 Bb7 2.f5 e5 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nxe5 dxe5 5.Qxd8+ Rxd8 6.Rxd8+
Kxd8 7.Bxb6+ Ke7 (343.419) 343.4
  8.01	 0:01 	+0.67 	1.f4 Bb7 2.f5 e5 3.Nb3 Nf6 4.Bg2 Nxg4 (549.505) 348.2
  9.01	 0:03 	+0.51 	1.f4 Bb7 2.f5 b4 3.fxe6 fxe6 4.Nce2 Nc4 5.Qd3 Nxe3 6.Qxe3
(1.296.102) 359.1
 10.01	 0:10 	+0.26--	1.f4 Bb7 2.f5 e5 3.Nb3 Nc4 4.Bxc4 bxc4 5.Na1 Nf6 6.Bc5
dxc5 (3.599.372) 358.2
 10.01	 0:10 	+0.26 	1.f4 Bb7 2.f5 e5 3.Nb3 Nc4 4.Qf2 Nxe3 5.Qxe3 Rc8 6.Bg2
(3.703.569) 359.1
 10.03	 0:12 	+0.27++	1.Be2 Bb7 2.Bg5 Be7 3.Bxe7 Qxe7 4.Nb3 b4 5.Nb1 Qg5
(4.597.029) 360.1
 10.03	 0:14 	+0.51 	1.Be2 Bb7 2.Bg5 Qc7 3.Bd3 h6 4.Bh4 g5 5.Bf2 Bg7 (5.403.457)
361.3
 10.06	 0:16 	+0.56++	1.Kb1 b4 2.Nce2 Nc4 3.Qd3 Nde5 4.Qb3 Nxe3 5.Qxe3 Bb7 6.Bg2
Rc8 (5.858.252) 362.2
 10.06	 0:16 	+0.56 	1.Kb1 b4 2.Nce2 Nc4 3.Qd3 Nde5 4.Qb3 Nxe3 5.Qxe3 Bb7 6.Bg2
Rc8 (5.914.199) 361.8
 11.01	 0:23 	+0.38 	1.Kb1 b4 2.Nce2 Nc4 3.Qc1 Nxe3 4.Qxe3 Bb7 5.Bh3 Be7 6.e5
Nxe5 7.Rdg1 (8.772.142) 366.2
 11.04	 0:28 	+0.39++	1.Be2 Bb7 2.Bg5 Qc7 (10.590.412) 366.3
 11.04	 0:31 	+0.43 	1.Be2 Bb7 2.Bg5 Qc7 3.Bd3 h6 4.Bh4 Nc4 5.Bxc4 Qxc4 6.Kb1
Rc8 7.Ncxb5 axb5 (11.608.520) 366.1
 11.25	 0:47 	+0.50++	1.Bg5 Nf6 2.Nc6 Bd7 (17.471.969) 367.5
 11.25	 0:47 	+0.50 	1.Bg5 Nf6 2.Nc6 Bd7 (17.596.952) 367.8
 12.01	 0:50 	+0.50 	1.Bg5 Nf6 2.Nc6 Bd7 (18.732.052) 367.8
 13.01	 1:35 	+0.50 	1.Bg5 Nf6 2.Bxb5+ axb5 3.Nf5 (34.756.752) 365.8
 14.01	 3:04 	+0.50 	1.Bg5 Nf6 2.Bxb5+ axb5 3.Nf5 (67.783.165) 367.5
 15.01	 6:26 	+0.50 	1.Bg5 (141.750.708) 366.4
best move: Be3-g5 time: 30:24.125 min  n/s: 346.825  CPU 196.2%  nodes:
632.652.935



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