Author: Mark Young
Date: 03:44:25 04/30/02
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On April 30, 2002 at 06:22:31, Otello Gnaramori wrote: >On April 30, 2002 at 04:44:41, Mark Young wrote: > >>On April 29, 2002 at 12:04:09, Chris Carson wrote: >> >>>On April 29, 2002 at 07:14:39, Jouni Uski wrote: >>> >>>>I think we can make two conclusion, even if one game is played later: >>>> >>>>1) Motivated super GM can still beat all PC programs >>>>2) There isn't any program, which is specially good against humans >>>> >>>>Point 1) is actually good - there is still room for improvement, even if it's >>>>unnecessary for 99,9999% of chess players. >>>>Point 2) Fritz is as good as any program to play Kramnik. And with 8 CPU system >>>>it can at least make interesting games. >>>> >>>>Jouni >>> >>>Number 1 is not true: >>>Junior and Hiarcs have not lost a game to GM Smirin. Fritz and Rebel did not >>>get to play GM Smirin. I guess guess you you could say that the motivated 2700+ >>>Super GM can win one game against Shredder and Tiger. >>> >>>Point 2 is not true: >>>Rebel, Junior and Hiarcs all have euqal or positve records against 2700+ GM and >>>Fritz did not play against the 2700 GM >> >> >>I don't understand his match conclusions? >>This was not 1 computer program playing, it is better to understand the match as >>it was, 5 matches played vs the same human Grandmaster. >> >>1. The Hiarcs 8 match was evenly played, and +1 vs Gulko. >> >>2. The Junior 7 match was 1 draw, 1 null game were the computer's position was >>won, even score vs GM Gulko >> >>3. The Shredder match was 1 loss, 1 draw, and an even score vs GM Gulko. >> >>4. Chess Tiger match was a joke. It did not play... >> >>5. The Gambit Tiger(anti-human) match. 1 draw. >> >>6. The Gambit Tiger(default) match. 1 loss. >> >>Conclusion: GM Smirin won match 3. GM Smirin should of lost match 2. GM Smirin >>drew match 1. GM Smirin drew match 5 in a one game match, and won match 6 in a 1 >>game match. >> >>Conclusion #2 PC programs have once again shown they can play at a High GM >>level. >> >>Conclusion #3. PC programs need to lose the human element. SEE match 2 & 5 > >Mark, >I think that the final right result if Junior will win tomorrow, should be >4.5-4.5 ,in consideration of the fact that DJ won de facto against Smirin in the >nulled game. > >Otello I can't really argue, since the position was won for DJ, and GM Smirin did resign! See Conclusion #3 It must be noted that DJ, and Hiarcs 8 have played two very strong GM's. And have not be beat yet. Gambit Tiger was not allowed to play a fair match by human mistakes. Shredder was the only program that was beaten fairly, but still is only -1 and played with a GM level result.
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