Author: Miguel A. Ballicora
Date: 08:21:02 04/30/02
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On April 30, 2002 at 07:02:10, Otello Gnaramori wrote: >On April 30, 2002 at 06:46:48, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On April 30, 2002 at 06:22:31, Otello Gnaramori wrote: >> >>>On April 30, 2002 at 04:44:41, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On April 29, 2002 at 12:04:09, Chris Carson wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 29, 2002 at 07:14:39, Jouni Uski wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I think we can make two conclusion, even if one game is played later: >>>>>> >>>>>>1) Motivated super GM can still beat all PC programs >>>>>>2) There isn't any program, which is specially good against humans >>>>>> >>>>>>Point 1) is actually good - there is still room for improvement, even if it's >>>>>>unnecessary for 99,9999% of chess players. >>>>>>Point 2) Fritz is as good as any program to play Kramnik. And with 8 CPU system >>>>>>it can at least make interesting games. >>>>>> >>>>>>Jouni >>>>> >>>>>Number 1 is not true: >>>>>Junior and Hiarcs have not lost a game to GM Smirin. Fritz and Rebel did not >>>>>get to play GM Smirin. I guess guess you you could say that the motivated 2700+ >>>>>Super GM can win one game against Shredder and Tiger. >>>>> >>>>>Point 2 is not true: >>>>>Rebel, Junior and Hiarcs all have euqal or positve records against 2700+ GM and >>>>>Fritz did not play against the 2700 GM >>>> >>>> >>>>I don't understand his match conclusions? >>>>This was not 1 computer program playing, it is better to understand the match as >>>>it was, 5 matches played vs the same human Grandmaster. >>>> >>>>1. The Hiarcs 8 match was evenly played, and +1 vs Gulko. >>>> >>>>2. The Junior 7 match was 1 draw, 1 null game were the computer's position was >>>>won, even score vs GM Gulko >>>> >>>>3. The Shredder match was 1 loss, 1 draw, and an even score vs GM Gulko. >>>> >>>>4. Chess Tiger match was a joke. It did not play... >>>> >>>>5. The Gambit Tiger(anti-human) match. 1 draw. >>>> >>>>6. The Gambit Tiger(default) match. 1 loss. >>>> >>>>Conclusion: GM Smirin won match 3. GM Smirin should of lost match 2. GM Smirin >>>>drew match 1. GM Smirin drew match 5 in a one game match, and won match 6 in a 1 >>>>game match. >>>> >>>>Conclusion #2 PC programs have once again shown they can play at a High GM >>>>level. >>>> >>>>Conclusion #3. PC programs need to lose the human element. SEE match 2 & 5 >>> >>>Mark, >>>I think that the final right result if Junior will win tomorrow, should be >>>4.5-4.5 ,in consideration of the fact that DJ won de facto against Smirin in the >>>nulled game. >>> >>>Otello >> >>we can also say that the final result in that case is 4.75-4.25 >>for smirin based on the fact that we do not know >>if the nulled game is a win for Junior or a draw because >>we do not know if Junior could win it >>so we can take the average as an estimate. >> >>Uri > >This is what Amir said about: > >"However, in setting up the position on my computer Junior does fail high on Bc5 >and plays it, after less than a minute, so I can’t say that I understand this. >Anyway, in the final position Junior can still win with Be3-Bc5, and I guess it >would" Oh pleaseeee.... Jr did not played that IN THE GAME! That is in a different computer from a fresh start. I can certainly turn around the argument and say that Junior did not find the winning move in the game because of a bug. In fact, was not the computer the one that could not continue the game because of "technical difficulties"? To me, this was not clear but sounds like it was computer's fault, in that case, Smirin wanted to resign after the game actually ended in his favor. Please, let's stop giving excuses for what happened or what could have happened. Junior DID NOT win that game! Regards, Miguel > >w.b.r. >Otello
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