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Subject: Re: Smirnin Gambit Tiger

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 14:26:46 04/30/02

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On April 30, 2002 at 11:08:29, Marc van Hal wrote:

>On April 30, 2002 at 09:08:09, Wybe K. wrote:
>
>>On April 30, 2002 at 07:04:47, Marc van Hal wrote:
>>
>>>On April 30, 2002 at 06:04:01, Marc van Hal wrote:
>>
>>>> I also have doubts Smirnin real knew what was going on in these games by
>>>> reading his coments.
>>
>>Horrible, Smirnin is a 2700+ ELO GM and he doesn't know what to do ?
>>So, maybe you've to announce an intellectual match against CM 8000 (with the
>>Smirnin pers.) Walk on Marc.
>>
>>All the best, Wybe
>>
>>BTW what an exciting game it was.
>
>Who is the one who believes in fantasy you or me?
>I already pointed out Sminin did not think here
>I also said you could check it before giving coments
>Just set up the book moves from the game
>And watch at the result of Botvinikpersonelety versus Gambit Tiger
>I can asure you it's the same.
>He simly played from out memory (By knowing the end result of a computer
>computer game without watching the corectness of these moves)
>I think that many IM's and GM's who are realy dedicated to the game would suport
>this.
>Kasparov would say so it is posible to win from a chessprogram by making bad
>moves.
>And also would give coments on the vague coments givven by Smirnin.(Just like I
>did)
>Kasparov does not want to play against programs because of the reason that he
>loves the game to much to destroy it with nonsens at all costs.
>Which program on Which hardware plays doesn't mather aslong as you know the end
>result of games which where played by these programs.
>And like I said Botvinik versus Gambit Tiger 2 on a 800MHZ machine gave the same
>end result as on a 2Gighz machine with the exeption that the Botvinik
>personelety might change moves(Which I doubt).
>I also can show you games which where realy briliant instead of this sherade if
>you look it from a chessprograms point of vieuw.
>Then again if you prefer to believe in lies your free to do so.
>It only doesn't look to smart.
>It looks like the thinking lines off a chessprogram it doesn't realy learn
>something from it's mistakes
>and does therefor not admit them!
>I even would prefer the game he won against Schredder
>Which is of more theoretical valeu.
>Regards                      a real chessplayer  Marc


So you're claiming that all these games were worked out by Smirin ahead of time,
move by move?

That would be fantasy, indeed!:o)

Terry



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