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Subject: Re: Unauthorized use of Rebel books

Author: Sandro Necchi

Date: 23:39:29 04/30/02

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On April 30, 2002 at 14:42:50, Jeroen Noomen wrote:

>During the last 6 - 12 months I have noticed a trend that there are very clear
>indications that non-commercial programmers of chess programs make use of (parts
>of) commercially available books. As I was in Maastricht during the WMCCC in
>2001, lots of speculations and complaints were heard about this topic.  From
>several sources I know that also the Rebel books have been ‘hacked’ by people (I
>will not mention their names, I am sure they know themselves whom I am talking
>about). As the Rebel books are my lifework I want to put a very clear statement
>in this forum.
>
>The Rebel books have been developped by me during a period of almost 14 years.
>Not only is it handmade, it also contains lots of stuff you will not find in
>other books. In the past it has happenend a few times that chess programs were
>caught as not being made by the programmer himself. Examples are Quick Step back
>in 1989, Greif, the several Crafty clones. As we can see from todays rules by
>the ICCA, such programs are not tolerated anymore. And in my view this is fully
>correct.
>
>What about the openingbook of a chess program? Of course programs using a very
>good book have an advantage over programs using a less good book. Here is a
>point where especially the commercially available programs have an advantage. I
>need only to name Alex Kure, Sandro Necchi and myself who have produced high
>quality books. One thing is sure: These books are wanted, because when using
>them, other programs will get the strength of these books as well.
>
>Of course the copying of books is morally not to be tolerated. You can even call
>it piracy. By simply copying (parts of) one of the best books available other
>programs suddenly get the same elo boost, without a single second of work to be
>done. Also this is very suspect in tournaments: Such programs suddenly have a
>big advantage against others, who make their own book and do NOT use this
>illegal copying. A trend that is very worrying in my view and also break the
>rules of sportmanships. I think that the ICCA should make strict rules for
>openingbooks as well. There is a clear rule that it is not allowed to use f.e. a
>crafty source code. In this respect IMO it should also be forbidden to use
>(parts of) books of authors that have not given permission to use them.
>
>As far as the Rebel books are concerned: It is very easy for me to verify
>whether somebody has stolen parts of my book. If programmers think they can use
>my book and hide this from me: Sorry, that will not work. In the past I have
>seen this happen and I have taken proper steps.
>
>I want to make it clear that if I find out (at a tournament or elsewhere) that
>somebody is using my book, that I will undertake steps. As far as I am
>concerned, such programs are banned from all the important events, or something
>like that. I will also suggest such a rule to the ICCA.
>
>Jeroen Noomen
>Bookauthor for Rebel and Chess Tiger

Hi Jeroen,

I do fully agree with you 100%

Some people think we just have made collection of available opening moves. This
is totally nonsense and or if they say this they only do not know our openings
book.

Even if we cannot protect one or more single variation we cannot accept other
people using the entire book just because with computers it is so easy to find a
way to include the book in another format.

Also for us is a sort of competition and to do that is like to use non legal
stuff in the normal sports like football etc...

Sandro



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