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Subject: Re: Unauthorized use of Rebel books

Author: Michael Williams

Date: 23:46:28 05/01/02

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On May 01, 2002 at 04:17:22, Slater Wold wrote:

>On May 01, 2002 at 01:21:05, Michael Williams wrote:
>
>>On April 30, 2002 at 16:01:33, Slater Wold wrote:
>>
>>>On April 30, 2002 at 14:42:50, Jeroen Noomen wrote:
>>>
>>>>During the last 6 - 12 months I have noticed a trend that there are very clear
>>>>indications that non-commercial programmers of chess programs make use of (parts
>>>>of) commercially available books. As I was in Maastricht during the WMCCC in
>>>>2001, lots of speculations and complaints were heard about this topic.  From
>>>>several sources I know that also the Rebel books have been ‘hacked’ by people (I
>>>>will not mention their names, I am sure they know themselves whom I am talking
>>>>about). As the Rebel books are my lifework I want to put a very clear statement
>>>>in this forum.
>>>>
>>>>The Rebel books have been developped by me during a period of almost 14 years.
>>>>Not only is it handmade, it also contains lots of stuff you will not find in
>>>>other books. In the past it has happenend a few times that chess programs were
>>>>caught as not being made by the programmer himself. Examples are Quick Step back
>>>>in 1989, Greif, the several Crafty clones. As we can see from todays rules by
>>>>the ICCA, such programs are not tolerated anymore. And in my view this is fully
>>>>correct.
>>>>
>>>>Jeroen Noomen
>>>>Bookauthor for Rebel and Chess Tiger
>>>
>>>I can understand your frustration.  You've worked just as hard as Ed or
>>>Christophe on Rebel/Tiger.  No doubt your books add a considerable amount of Elo
>>>to these programs, and I am sure Ed and Christophe are very appreciative of
>>>that.
>>>
>>>However, I must warn you that laying claim to a series of chess opening moves is
>>>not going to be easy to defend.  You cannot copyright moves in chess, as you
>>>cannot copyright dance moves.  While you can copyright a mvs book, you are
>>>actually only copyrighting the format.  Again, you cannot copyright chess moves.
>>>
>>>I think anyone found 'hacking' a chess program, or its book, should face a
>>>severe punishment. Anyone claiming something is their, when in fact it is not,
>>>should be punished.
>>>
>>>I am not defending these people, I am simply stating the fact that it would be
>>>easier to encrypt the books, than to go after those stealing it.
>>
>>You should be able to copyright chess moves in a specific context just as you
>>should be able to copyright musical notes in a specific arrangement, sequence
>>and context.  Similar arguments exist for code.
>
>Not at all.  You put musical notes together, and you have a song.  You cannot
>copyright musical notes, only songs.  e4 e5 is not copyright protectable.
>Sorry.

Either you misunderstand or I didn't state it clearly enough, we are not talking
about e4 e5, we are talking about 14 years of work.

>>The difficulty in defending a position does not affect the justifiability of
>>defending a position.
>
>Very true.  But there is a point where you say, "Is this worth it?"

That's a different issue altogether.  You were incorrect on the initial issue.




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